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Old 11-12-2009
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Default What's wrong with metal today...

You may know it or not, but I don't usually read any review about any DM record at all or pay attention to any metal forum/blogs/chatrooms etc... Sometimes Ettore forwards me some parts of the more funny/weird reviews so we can laugh about them, but I've stopped lookin' for them since the Fragments era basically because 9 on 10 were full of bullshit and almost impossible to read without mentally yelling and cursing against the reviewer (or usually against the reviewer's mom) after the first 5 sentences.
I don't even usually read comments on our official or unofficial channels anymore for the same reason, doesn't really matter if they're good or bad, I just don't want to know and keep focusing on my point of view only.
The only place, as DM singer, that I do follow and interact with is this forum.

This said, when I'm chillin' out I do like to read a quite popular "metal-news archive" to keep myself informed about what's goin' on in the metal scene these days (I don't even buy metal magazines anymore so I don't really have a clue about who's coming, who's goin' and so on...) and see if my fav bands are releasing something worth listening to... And here we go with the first thing that irritates me: most of the so-called news are always about the same bunch of bands and they're repeating the same bollocks over and over and over again... As a metal fan I'd like to be informed about real news concerning the metal scene in general, I don't give a damn about damn gossips or feuds between bands or egomaniac leaders... You cannot call this information, this is just advertising in disguise about the same old fucktards!

And here we jump to point number two: there are almost no longer charismatic characters like 80's metal icons in the scene today and at the same time the good old ones are completely going nuts. I mean, c'mon, I'm fed up and ashamed at the same time of reading such incredible bullshit about rockstars or ex-drug addicts that finally find god, turn themselves into politicians, reject everything they have done so far etc etc etc... I've grown up listening to the music of some of these guys and reading their last statements is just way too weird for me... and, btw, sounds damn fake at the same time. They have completely lost the "rebel feel" that should represent the "metal way of life" by the way I see things. I mean, Alice Cooper keeps slaughtering people on stage even if he's a baptist, Tom Araya screams his lungs out against god even if he's a christian and so on... That's the way it should be! I hate when the "character" and the "person" in an artist/performer stop to coexist and people start spitting on what they've done 'til the day before.

And of course it's not over yet, 'coz if there's some new album that could interest me comin' out I sometimes have the very bad idea of lookin' for some reviews about that to see if it's really worth listening or not... And, once again, all I usually read is bullshit mixed with bullshit diluted with more bullshit cooked with other bullshit and served in a plate full of bullshit... I'm not talkin' about musical preferences or stuff like that, but simply about the complete lack of knowledge that pervades the average reviewer and drives him to write completely senseless opinions about things that he doesn't really understand, know or even have the slightest clue about at all...
So, to put an end to this very boring (but quite fair) rant, there's too much ignorance and hypocrisy in the metal scene today and this simply makes me puke 'coz metal fans deserve better people for sure.

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Old 11-12-2009
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Fragments reviews were that bad C? Majority of ones I've seen were saying "Fragments was a masterpiece" almost everywhere. Yeah alot of bands aren't rebelling anymore because they've got nothing to be angry about. (I don't understand, theres a hell lot of things to be angry about in this time and age). Since the computer came out people have been spitting bullshit it out and they know they can get away with it. Metal scene used to be better from when my dad was going to Pantera concerts and seeing Megadeth live and stuff.
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Old 11-12-2009
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Default Re: What's wrong with metal today...

I have to agree with that...i' m reading some rewievs almost everyday to know if i should check out the album/band or not, but the information i get are sometimes very misleading...i don't care if the rewiever says that "this album has no artristic qualities" or "buying this is a waste of money"...if i like it,then i'll buy it.
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Old 11-12-2009
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Default Re: What's wrong with metal today...

Ill talk about one point that i always hated too.

Its probably true about the reviews but im not the best one to talk about this since i dont check reviews too often. But i have a good example and it is about the new ensiferum's album "from afar". For me its the fucking best metal album ive heard (Isolation game could certainly equal it for me) just because of the uniqueness of the sound, medieval and melodic sounds, the petri's voice is unique too, well i like unique groups, the ones who add their touch. Well, ive seen a LOT of good reviews about this album giving it notes like 9/10 and beyond hehe . But ive seen a review saying that it was horrible too much medieval sounds (which is what they are here for) and too many instrumental and whatever. Happily, a lot of people tell that this website is starting to give some shitty reviews and these same people comment these reviews with bad comments, and this is good. When you review an album, you dont check it for your own taste, you check it if it completes the style they are, if their music is well organized, if the sound is good, if we dont hear too much of an instrument or vocals, etc. Well thats my point of view and i think it should be like this. If you dont like folk, dont review this style, leave it to the people who wants to recognize the real talent so the people will buy it, and its the same with every genre of metal. You guys will probably say (maybe not ) that Ensiferum have a well reputation in Europe (not that much here in Quebec, Canada thought) and they dont have any problems with selling but thats not the point. Its the same with every groups, some gets shitty reviews and gets less sells. Thats how the metal is going down. Hope ive understood your point C by saying my point of view and my experiences with some reviews.

Ensiferum and DM have been my favorite groups for 2 years and a half now. DM brought me into the metal first because before i wasnt too much in the music (only iron maiden) and now im an addict one lol because of you guys (yea i listen to metal for real for 2 years and a half but im only 17 thought).

By the way, yea its great C that you are here to answer our questions and to talk with us a bit, its more than appreciated.
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Old 11-13-2009
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Default Re: What's wrong with metal today...

Personally ill agree with C for the most part and im a christian myself, Im not sure if its really necessary to slaughter people on stage or sing anti god lyrics to be rebellious but metal definately is rooted in rebellion without it thiers not the passion thats drives metal weather your songs are about turning your back on a world that you feel is morally corrupt and living agianst the grain, or anti government, anti religion, or blood and gore because its a subject peopole often arent comfortable with, reguardless metal needs some sort of fighting spirit behind it doesnt necessarly make the person writing it a sadistac, or evil, or even agressive for that matter.
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Well, I guess an artist's work is mostly related to the inner feelings of the artist itself. That's why some musicians change the way they make their music, because their points of view find a 90° angle that makes them going on another direction; if their work reflects their points of view, when it changes the work almost certainly will change too, otherwise it would be a waste of time singing about something they don't believe anymore. Of course, there are exceptions just like the ones C. highlighted, but yeah.

As for me, what's wrong with metal today is the lack of the will to make music the best they can. For example, while I can't and won't criticize the formula (even because my favorite bands adopted it within their styles, like DM), so many bands are using the "heavy verse - melodic chorus" the wrong way. I know lots of songs with the verse made heavy just for the sake of it being heavy, or the chorus made melodic just for the sake of it being melodic, and it kills the song because it sounds obviously fake.
Won't cite names here, but I see more and more bands not giving a damn about creativity and feeling in their songs, just repeating what they've done before, with enthusiasm falling apart on each album. That's what I just can't be alright with. Metal (and most music overall) is supposed to be intense. Be it aggressive, heavy, melodic, depressing or even acoustic, it must be intense.
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Alot of those bands cross into the very fake metalcore bands that formulate and steal riffs from bands like At The Gates, In Flames, Dark Tranquility - etc. Metal isn't supposed to be formulated it's supposed to be real (We all know Cannibal Corpse arent serious about the shit they talk about) as in a real passion for playing. Metal has always been the slightest bit progressive and after listening to Disarmonia Mundi I it started coming to me more and I payed attention to more hooks and unexpected parts in music. Good portion of the bands out today are Genre hoppers just for the money and steal from other bands doing the same thing.
All of these bands use breakdowns to be heavy but it's so EMPTY, even if they put the most heavy settings in the tone, I still doesnt make me want to headbang. There's a part in Shattered Lives in Broken Dreams that's not all chuggy but I rewinded that part over and over again cause it was so good and hurt my neck alot too
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I never have read a Metal Review in my whole life. Its all BULLOCKS.

U need to hear the songs with ur own EARS to decide if u like it or not, dont let some fag writing shit on a paper control ur rating on a album.
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Default Re: What's wrong with metal today...

Yeah you mentioned quite a few things that I have noticed lately... especially about there not being anymore charismatic characters! There seems to be no more badass frontmen and no more attitude. That is so true... it's a shame really.

I also do not read metal magazines any longer. I haven't for years actually and it's pretty much for the same reason, it's always about the same bands (especially overrated ones). There's so many bands out there and it never ceases to amaze me how they constantly focus on a few handfuls of the same ones. As far as reviews go, I typically ignore those as well. I don't need someone telling me what is good and what is not -- that I can find out for myself.
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Valid points all but consider...

In the 80s metal was grouped into 3 catagories: Glam, Thrash, and Power.

In the late 80s early 90s grind core and death were getting recoginzed. The introduction of Grunge did nothing for the scene except nearly render it extinct. By 1995 there was ,IMO, little interest in metal bands by the casual listener. The labels were more interested in alternative music than metal.

When metal became hot again it had morphed into the following sub catagories:
Death
Goth
Prog
Grind Core
Rap Meta
Doom

I believe the problem lies in the fact that there are so many sub genres it is difficult to follow just one band. It also doesn't help that many good bands out there are getting little to no exposure from the "pundits" who refuse to give anyone that isn't mainstream any playtime.
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Default Re: What's wrong with metal today...

why would you read reviews in the first place?
if there's one thing i know for sure, it's that you can never know someone's musical taste.
because it's changing constantly, and it depends on a number of factors which are changing constantly as well...

and good metal is almost extinct. because all the bands wanna be famous and rich. they want to get as much fans as possible. So they make pop. With a metal touch. Then they tag it innovative, and get hordes of fan girls and scene kiddies...

i think it's a shame that emo kids mixed with the metalcore and hardcore guys. cause it used to be great music. now you have to search years before you find a decent, non-emo band...
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I don't know what's your point of view of what im going to say, but... I'm tired!!

When you walk and see someone's dressed like the classical metal-guy (here in mexico), you say "hello, what kind of music do you heard" (an obvious answer is in front of us but we ask just for ask.
He or she answers: Metal, and i say" cool!!, what bands do you listen to??" and every single people you ask, they answer Öh! Metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath'... and on and on and on...

The only thing that remains is to walk far away... cause they stay stucked in the more "commercial" bands, they don't explore the genres, the styles, and they say "I Like metal!!"

Something like 70 percent of the people that like metal, stay stucked in the same bands.

Im just saying that there's a lot of people making fun, speaking shit about bands that for they are unknown.
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Dunno... what I miss most in nowadays bands is charisma and ideas.
I mean, all this perfect productions, all this shiny packages, all these perfect looking pictures and amazing videos are cool... but there's nothing more than that.
It seems so damn plastic without really something to say.
You listen to the whole record and it's like they don't have a single idea worth listening to goin' on... It's just overproduced plastic-looking crap.
And when they sound a little better is when they steal some riffs from Metallica or Iron Maiden classics.
Is this the new wave of heavy metal? If it's so then I'd rather listen to Lady Gaga for life than this garbage

I don't mean that there are no good records at all, for example "Storm of the Light's Bane" by Dissection is one of my all time favs and it's not from the 80's, but records worth listening to are really really rare nowadays...

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Dunno... what I miss most in nowadays bands is charisma and ideas.
I mean, all this perfect productions, all this shiny packages, all these perfect looking pictures and amazing videos are cool... but there's nothing more than that.
It seems so damn plastic without really something to say.
You listen to the whole record and it's like they don't have a single idea worth listening to goin' on... It's just overproduced plastic-looking crap.
And when they sound a little better is when they steal some riffs from Metallica or Iron Maiden classics.
Is this the new wave of heavy metal? If it's so then I'd rather listen to Lady Gaga for life than this garbage

I don't mean that there are no good records at all, for example "Storm of the Light's Bane" by Dissection is one of my all time favs and it's not from the 80's, but records worth listening to are really really rare nowadays...

C.
True, what happens nowadays is that the people's imagination is on the floor.
I meant, many musicians have their inspiration on the work of the firsts bands, and they start from there and build their own style. But, there are too a lot of musicians that base their style and "copy" the style of someone.

So let's remember: Make music is NOT copy the famous guy, it's to EMULATE and CREATE your own.
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The best example of what's wrong with metal today is Black Veiled Brides. Scene/fringe kids using looks from Goth, and Glam scenes instead of making music good. They're music sounds like a watered down At The Gates. Theres a review from some fangirl on ultimate-guitar, read it. I just did and I'm going to listen to the whole album. C you should read it after listening to their album, you might get a laugh or two. I've already listened to one of their songs which sounds EXACTLY like that Avenged Sevenfold song.

I know it's hard to be original, but they sound like they intended to steal a riff. That's whats wrong now, bands copying bands that are ALREADY copying from other bands, aka scenekid METALCORE. This is why people dont give real gothic rock/metal bands a chance, everyone nowadays judges visually. This is why people shit on metal too.
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