Tämä Ikuinen Talvi

[Big J Q]

No, mitäs tykkäätte tästä uudelleen julkaistusta demosta? Kävin hakemassa joku viikko sitten Vaasan Kråklundista ensimmäisen kappaleen. (Häpeällistä! Kaupan äijä oli näköjään unohtanut tuoda ko. tuotetta myymälän puolelle!)

Mielestäni se ei ole aivan yhtä hyvä kuin Suden Uni, mutta eihän sitä voi vaatiakaan. Demoksi se on aivan HELVETIN hyvä, ja on soinut useampaankin otteeseen omassa soittimessani. Siinä on ehkä enemmän blackmetalmaisempi ote; Kitarat ja rummut ovat hiukan "sotkuisempia" kuin SU:lla. Tunnelma on talvisempi (mistähän sekin johtuu?), ja sanoitukset ovat hiukan enemmän kristinuskon vastaiset (mikä ei välttämättä ole huono juttu!).

Levyn kuuntelun aikana heräsi kysymys: Millaisia ne muut demot ovat? Onko odotettavissa muita uudelleenjulkaisuja, vai oliko TIT ainoa uudelleenjulkaisun arvoinen?

Voisitte kertoa minullekin omia mielipiteitänne 'Voimasta ja Kunniasta'-levyä odotellessa...!

- Janne Vieri a.k.a Big-J-Q of Musta Porkkana
(come.to/mustaporkkana) (http://come.to/mustaporkkana))

[VauhtiParoni]

Niin, niitähän on vain kaksi virallista, "Metsä" sekä tuo "Tämä Ikuinen Talvi". Ei varmasti ole tulossa Metsästä uudelleenjulkaisua, mutta saattaapi olla että laitetaan se imutettavaksi tänne webbisivuille.... ehkä siis.

Tuo Talvenkin cd-versio oli Sagittariuksen juttuja kokonaan, kun Launonen diggailee siitä niin kovasti ja halusi pistää sen "suurempaan" levitykseen.

Uusi levy on maailman ISOIMMALLA munalla soitettua ja laulettua pagan fukking metallia!

[TheKeisari]

I think it would be nice to keep the language in English??
Don´t you think so?

But for topic.. Tämä Ikuinen Talvi is the greatest Moonsorrow work in my opinion...

[allissson]

English is good but remember that any swear words must appear in Finnish or they will turn out looking like this - @#%$

and since this is not the vitun Stryper forum we don't want it to look like it is with all the censorship. ;)

[Big J Q]

Sorry, I didn't know Moonsorrow to be such an international band.

[Pakana]

:cool:

[allissson]

Well JQ - we can't possibly allow you Finns to keep this band to yourselves now can we? ;) there is a desperate shortage of bands with good Pagan values and Moonsorrow are excellent representatives of pagan people. :) And their music is great too :)

[Big J Q]

Krhm... It's *Big*-J-Q... ;D

I'm just happy when helvetin good finnish bands can show the world what we are made of. I mean, other bands than HIM <spits> and Stratovarius and some others as well. People here in Finland don't appreciate metal. On the contrary, some people look down on metallers, and some people judge ALL heavy metal (except HIM and such crap) to be satanic. As a consequence, so called "documents" are made. They (the journalists) go to ONLY metal festival to interview some lunatics which have absolutely nothing to do with the most of us. (Tottahan kaikki katsoivat MOTin?)

Ooh I think I went a little off-topic... Well, no harm done.

[allissson]

BIG JQ..........anteeksi :)

No, it's not really off-topic - it's something that needs to be talked about. And I am about to go a bit further off topic.....

I honestly never considered HIM :x to be an accurate representation of Finnish metal. I sincerely hope that you guys will keep those fools over there. Send the kossu by all means, but keep that band. USA has enough rubbish bands, we don't need more. Send them to Afghanistan - Bin Laden would probably rather surrender on his own than have to listen to HIM.

Well, if Finns don't appreciate metal, there's one heathen here in Florida who appreciates Finnish metal enough to make up for them all. :) I just think that the problem lies in the bands not being promoted properly both at home and abroad. I have told a fair few Finns about Charon for example - and a few more about Moonsorrow. It's like....the Finns are supposed to be telling ME about Finnish metal bands. I regret there's no bands from here that are worth telling my neighbour about, let alone telling the world. Record labels and management do not do their jobs.

Yeah, I know all about metallers being looked down upon. But I get that too for being Pagan so I just ignore the ignorance. The media are the worst offenders too. I heard about that MOT programme on the TV there - it's disgusting - and in USA it goes a step further as the "christian coalition" really do all they can to give metal - and pagans - a bad image. Pagan people do not even believe in satan so how can we be "satanic" ?

Oh well, what can we do but pity their ignorance?

[Big J Q]

You're right about HIM, it really isn't an accurate representation of finnish metal. But it is, after all, metal. Love-metal you might say, and of the rare metal bands to be approved by the masses. But Finland is full of excellent bands which remain virtually completely unpromoted

You're from Florida, hmm? I thought Kamelot was from Florida? But USA and Canada really suck when it comes to metal. Everytime I've heard bands from there in Metalliliitto (the only *finnish* metal-radioshow), they've sucked. Kamelot and Symphony X are the only exceptions I know about.

Media is to blame for our demise. The radio only plays well-promoted bands. They have absolutely no intentions of playing different, special bands like Moonsorrow, Finntroll etc. In addition, Finland is (unjustly!) a christian country, and as the most metal bands are very unchristian, well...

Personally I have no idea, what to do. I don't know if something even should be done; I'm pretty comfortable with the situation here in finland as it is now, but if things progress in a unpleasant manner, like in USA, then we need to worry. What happens, when christian extremists ascend to power? What happens, when media wins its holy war against metal and other unpopularized things? Are the witch-hunts bound to begin soon?

[Down Fall]

Itse sain kyseisen plätyn eilen omaksi ja kuulosti helevetin hyvältä!
Ainoa miinus tulee Taistelu Pohjolasta: Osa I - Luo veljien....Taistelu Pohjolasta on muuten luukutettava biisi mutta vituttaa kun joutuu kuuntelemaan tuon Osa I ja kun ei jaksaisi aina pikakelata sitä =/

[Big J Q]

Let's change it to english... Everybody understands it. (?)

I must agree with you. Taistelu Pohjolasta is a helvetin good song, but I can't imagine to put it on my sauna-tapes because of the long beginning. (Sauna-tape = a cassette to which I record 90 minutes of heavy metal from my own collection, so that I can listen to metal while in bathing in sauna and taking a shower!)

And the sounds suck a bit, too.

[Pakana]

>And the sounds suck a bit, too.

Hey, we tried to rescue all we could from a 4-tracker master tape! :)

[aboriginaali]

Just like Bathory! :lol:

[allissson]

Big JQ - HIM is metal? since when? Love-metal........more like gay metal. You know what frightens me more than anything is that HIM will come over here because I tell you something, if they do, with the mentality of these people here, they are gonna be bigger than.......whoever the big trend setter band is right now. I call HIM Finland's Backstreet Boys.

My opinion is that if it weren't for Finland, this world wouldn't HAVE decent metal to listen to. Oh sure, there's always gonna be the fantasy metal bands with the dragons and elves and meaningless lyrics, but what sets Finland apart, from what I have so far noticed, is that you people are so "no bullshit". And honesty counts for a lot. where the nussia HIM came from is beyond me. Some genetics went amiss somewhere perhaps.

Well, I am from New Orleans really, I just live in Florida now.
Yeah, Kamelot's from here. Tampa - about 15km from where i live. I don't care for Kamelot at all. They are just another dragonslayer band. USA sucks unmercifully when it comes to metal. This country produces absolutely nothing useful with regards to music. So that is why i have become such an advocate of Finnish metal.

I think the promotion situation is apalling. I agree that media does far more harm than it does good, but look at who the "media" are - mainstream fundamentalist people. Usually christian. and it's all about who has the deepest pockets. The money talks, bullshit walks theory.

Finland is a christian country?!?!?! Are you sure? That's not a word i would have used to describe it. I know you have your radical christians just like anywhere else, but you have virtually none compared to USA. One thing I am glad for though is that religion is not taught in the schools here, but I know it is mandatory over there. As a parent, I'd have a real problem with that.

"What happens, when christian extremists ascend to power? "
You proudly uphold your Pagan values no matter what, that's what you do. :) Then you look on the extremists with great pity for their ignorance. And then you feel fortunate that you possess the vision they lack.

"What happens, when media wins its holy war against metal and other unpopularized things?"
I can't see that happening.

" Are the witch-hunts bound to begin soon?"
No, that was a time long ago. :)

Actually, what IS happening is that christianity is beginning to slowly fall. :)

[Big J Q]

HIM is sort of a BSB, but basically it's still metal. Just very paska metal. I think there are other good metal countries than just Finland, but the thing is, I do like SOME of the powermetalbands. Like GammaRay from Germany, I think it's pretty good (although the new album leaves a pretty empty feeling). However, most powermetal-bands tend to get boring FAST.
Then we have Norway, which has produced some good bands, like Old Man's Child and Covenant (nowadays known as The Kovenant).

As you said, religion is mandatory in our school, but if you belong in another religion (like Islam, or "Väestörekisteri"), you have an option not to go to the religion class. However, the little children usually have no choice if parents are christians, or people who don't care about religions. Luckily in higher grades, religion-classes become a little more objective. (So that when I resigned from the church, I didn't bother leaving out from the religion-classes. Besides, I didn't have much of them left, anyway.)

[allissson]

yeah, there's a couple of good metal countries, but I do think Finland is the best. For the longest time it was England. I lived there in the 80's and it was metal central at the time. But now, they are at the bottom of the ranking, just above USA. I go back there every other year and each time I notice less of a metal influence and an increasingly intrusive whigger influence there. Very sad.
I used to like Iron Maiden, but I wouldn't cross the street to see them now. They have been rubbish for more than 10 years now. I hope Steve Harris is a better footballer than he is a songwriter/musician.
Then there's Germany. Probably #2 in the ranking behind Finland, but do you ever notice that all the German bands seem to have a common element to their sound and style? Outstanding bands, but it would be nice for once to see something original from there.
I've listened to some bands from Norway, but I am not gonna waste my time with any of the Burzum-type rubbish. What those sort of people represent is something I refuse to associate myself with. It's people like them that give metal and Paganism a bad name and cause people to get the wrong impression. And unfortunately, there's too many of their sort about in the business. But I don't consider ALL Norwegian bands to be like Burzum. I know there's some good ones there.
Then we have Sweden. They have turned out a few great bands, but as with hockey, they aren't able to beat Finland.
Sweden is almost exclusively black/death metal and the majority of bands that I have heard seem to have the same image, same theme and be after the same thing - trying to "out-satanise" each other. Too trendy for my liking, save for a few, so I generally don't bother a whole lot with it. I like In Flames a lot, but really that's about it.

I know what you mean about power metal. I love it, but find myself getting a bit burned out on it. Too much of nothing new.

Now don't take any of what I said here as written in stone, these are just the observations of (me) a non-musician who sometimes has a bitchy attitude when it comes to her personal likes and dislikes in music. ;)

What did they teach you about in the religion classes? Do they try to mold your beliefs? Or do they teach it as philosophy? Do they teach about all different religions or just christianity?

[WanKKa]

Speaking of metal-countries, I mainly prefer more Sweden than Finland. They have extremely wonderful band's that finnish band's can't even get close to, like Bathory and Thyrfing. Alisson(and everyone who havent heard), you should get to know this band, Thyrfing (if u haven't already) fly.to/thyrfing
Finland is after Sweden what comes to music. Sad but true :)

"What did they teach you about in the religion classes? Do they try to mold your beliefs? Or do they teach it as philosophy? Do they teach about all different religions or just christianity?"

If I remember correctly, they teach only "christianity" when u are under 12. And after they have brainwashed the little kid, they tell you that there's another religions too. ;)
Someone is free to correct me..

I think that in religion classes should be like "taking no sides".
Teaching each religion equally, if they really have to do that :)



EDIT: P.S. Taistelu pohjolasta is not too long, and tho it has crappy sound, it doesn't bother me. The atmosphere is that matters. Exspecially the intro.
Todella hienoa työtä Herra Trollhorn :cool:

[Big J Q]

To Allissson:

I find it hard to admit that England really isn't a glorious metal band, however there ARE some good bands. First of all, Iron Maiden. Yeah, it has sucked for about 10 years now, but I still respect the older production (like Seventh Son, Powerslave etc.). Then there is Manowar. At first I didn't like it all, but later on I noticed it's a great band. What about Cradle of Filth? I haven't listened to it very much; Actually Midian is the only album I've heard, and I like it. But beyond that, I can't say.

And then Germany. Great bands, although most of them grow boring quickly. I've noticed at least one common denominator: Kai Hansen. Everytime I'm listening to a german powermetalband (other than GammaRay), I hear Hansen singing at least in one of the songs. He's a great guy, but I wouldn't want to hear him everywhere.

I have never cared much of Sweden as a metalcountry; In Flames has one really good album (Whoracle), and Opeth's Blackwater Park has some good songs, but that's it.

In the final analysis, Finland really is the best metalcountry. Too bad the media hasn't noticed that.


To Wankka:

As far as I remember, I was taught christianity until 15. When you go to the 7th grade (that's where the finnish Ylä-aste begins), they tell us about other religion, but christianity is still preferred over the others.

You're perfectly right about religion classes should be taking no sides. They should tell us about religions objectively. Tell us, what they are about. When we have all the options, we can make our choice. (Odd, I have been brainwashed for all my life, but still I don't believe in their god; It seems some of us don't blindly accept their truths!)

[VauhtiParoni]

Manowar hails from the U.S. though.

[Socramon]

Hehee.i have the both demos as cassettes and TiT in cd , and they are good ,maybe even better than the cd because theres no henu's singing ;=)

[VauhtiParoni]

>theres no henu's singing

But of course there is. You just haven´t noticed.

[moloturpa]

thing with norways and swedens case is that if you have heard few bands from there you have heard them all...they lack of originality tho...

[allissson]

Wankka - I have heard Bathory. I think he's without a doubt a very talented man but I wouldn't personally call him "top of the line". Thyrfing - I know who they are but haven't heard them yet so I can't comment on them.

That's shocking what you guys are telling me about this religion class thing. What about parents? Do they stand for that crap?


Big JQ - Oh yeah, the old Maiden is outstanding stuff, but something went awry after No Prayer. They are way too conservative for me these days. What it is, they try to be progressive but do a terrible job of it. They have 3 guitarists now and do not even TRY to make the best use of their resources. It's very irritating.
Manowar.............ok - when I tell my opinion of this band it always gets me into trouble. I never liked this band from the day they arrived on the scene. They are very a cheap cliche of what's been done before and before and before. I thought they were comedians. The only thing I WILL give them credit for is that they have an outstanding singer in Eric Adams. Otherwise, I've no use for them.

Cradle of Filth - I can't stand them. A bunch of gothic wannabe posers. A waste of my time.

I like bands who are themselves, who don't need to put on a masquerade and try to project some false image because they think it's cool to do so. That's one reason I like Sentenced so much - they are totally natural. I prefer a band who makes their music to suit themselves rather than to suit the fans or the trends. It's more honest that way.

"I've noticed at least one common denominator: Kai Hansen. "

:lol: YES! That is precisely it! That man is EVERY-vitun-WHERE! And much as I like Gamma ray, do you ever notice how they are totally shameless in copying riffs from other bands. I have identified everything from Judas Priest to Queen in their music. And it's not like they try to hide it either.

"thing with norways and swedens case is that if you have heard few bands from there you have heard them all "

I hear THAT!! ;)

[Socramon]

Paroni,i thought that henu doesn't sing in the original demos.

[Big J Q]

What? Manowar isn't a british band? But...but... Would an american band have so much references to Great Britain and none to "God-blessed" America?

[VauhtiParoni]

Oh, yes he does! Some cleans.

[Socramon]

Paroni,ok ,everyday learning something new :=)

[Big J Q]

To Allissson:

Last day I was listening to G-Ray's 'Land of the Free' album (which is great, by the way), and I noticed a familiar solo in one of the songs, I think it was 'All of the Damned', but I couldn't quite figure out where I had heard it before. Could it be Hotel California? Other than that, I haven't noticed any rip-offs...? But then again, I have never actively listened to Judas Priest and such bands.

I don't care much about Sentenced, but then again, I do. North From Here and Amok are absolutely perkeleen great albums, but Shadows of the Past sucks, Down is OK (but not great), Frozen sucks and I haven't listened much to Crimson, but Dead Moon Rising is a good song.

[allissson]

A great deal of Powerplant is based on borrowed riffs. But it makes me no odds because they do such a great job with it. :)

[mmtutti]

IMO the thing with Finland is that most people here are trying to be so vitun European... trendy, you know -- too sophisticated to listen to metal. they buy all the latest in hip hop and techno 'n' dance and whatnot, because so does everyone else. HIM is probably the heaviest stuff they know of (they do call it metal, after all). the few metal-oriented people we have, though, are hell bent for it, so that makes up for the loss a bit. I actually wrote a short story about the matter, titled "Popparin ja metallimiehen vuoropuhelu", taken after the Marquis de Sade's "Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Man". it's in Finnish, but anyone interested enough may find it at mmtutti.cjb.net/pop.doc (http://mmtutti.cjb.net/pop.doc).

when it comes to the greatest 'metal countries', I'd have to concur that Finland is indeed the most non-compromising. but this greatly depends on the sort of metal you're into: you only get decent death metal from the US, the Netherlands and Sweden, there's not much of it here. as for power metal, I wouldn't know, wouldn't care.

christianity was always taught to me like it was for real and everyone should take these things into heart, about Jesus Our Lord and the Agony He Suffered by His Own Will for the Sake of Us All. it all sounded silly to me, but I never questioned it until later, since I had no reason to believe that anything that I was being taught in school wasn't absolutely true. when I grew up and started to realize the magnitude of how my freedom had been wronged, I promptly renounced the state church. but I don't think that Finland eventually is a very christian country: sure, there are those dedicated and active christians that are a pest to everyone else, but most of us aren't all that passionate about religious matters. and that's why the injustice of christianity being taught in schools goes largely unnoticed: no one gives a damn. although that is now slowly beginning to change, it seems...

[allissson]

One of the most traumatic things when one converts to Paganism is the realisation that he/she has been lied to for their entire life prior to their conversion. Luckily, this conversion happened to me at a very young age, so it was very easy to abandon those false beliefs, but for the ones who have been programmed with fear and guilt, it's a struggle to get out from under it.

"it all sounded silly to me, but I never questioned it until later, since I had no reason to believe that anything that I was being taught in school wasn't absolutely true."

Well, Maths, Science, History and languages are true. :) The rest is based on opinion.

My parents at one time had me in a catholic school, but they had to end up taking me out of there because I could not (and would not) keep my mouth shut and was asking very awkward questions that these priests could not answer and my parents kept getting called into the school because of it. I was not a discipline problem, apparently I was not allowed to question religion as far as the priests were concerned.
I think children should be encouraged to question everything.

This story of yours sounds interesting, I will have a read of it. Finnish language is OK. I understand some of it.

A thought occurred to me........now tell me if it makes sense or not - it takes a person with an adventurous and uninhibited spirit to appreciate metal music. People who go for trends are insecure and impose limits on themselves. That's probably why metal is so misunderstood.

[vitr]

I don't think I ever believed any of the Jesus crap. I have never believed in an afterlife, so I didn't have any sudden realisation at any point. But I think I was about 11 when I was old enough to really say out loud that I thought supreme being/afterlife was a load of pants. I was never terrified with hell as no-one I knew as a child believed in it.

I dunno how to explain this. I didn't really believe in the tooth fairy either. But it was like a game, and I grew up with like, you have toplay the little game to keep people happy. Even now, we have a male cat, right? But we have to call it "she" cos my mother wanted a girl cat, and she even made up @#%$ about going to the vet and the vet said it's a girl, yeah right. I have always been confident about what I know, enough that playing the game doesn't affect me.

None of that makes sense, but I think if I had been brainwashed with that crap, I still wouldn't believe it. I was a clever kid, even if I am a stupid adult. :lol:

I don't have any sympathy for those suppressed by religion - let them rot in their own hell, just so long as they leave the @#%$ alone anyone else. Pity they gotta brainwash their kids, though. :x

[allissson]

mmtutti - do you have a proper website? if you do, what's the address for it?

[mmtutti]

mmtutti.cjb.net is my proper website -- it's currently closed for inventory, or indeed "burnt to ashes". has been for a long period of time: I got fed up with it, and with myself while I was at it. what can I say, I'm a complex personality. I'm thinkin' I should do something about the site, though. if I can find the time and inspiration, it'll be back up again, featuring fukked-up bits of poetry (mostly in English) and some even more fukked-up views on life (mostly in Finnish) -- thoughts I've had to get up and write down in the middle of the night before ever hoping to sleep again.

[allissson]

:) well, you let me know when you do eventually get that up and running because I'd like to read your stuff. :)

[Big J Q]

So you got into trouble because you questioned priests' beliefs? My condolences, but no harm done, yes?

I once found some questionable excerpts of the bible, and printed 7 pages of them, and took it the religion teacher. I was sure she was going to be enraged, but no, on the contrary, she was quite happy, and after a few days she handed more pages with her answers and views on the excerpts, and thanked me for giving her something to think.

[vitr]

That's cool, big JQ.

:lol: Allissson - I would have *paid* to see you question that sh*t and the teachers' reactions.... :lol:

[Pakana]

>I once found some questionable excerpts of the bible

So you have only had a glimpse on the book, huh? :)

[mmtutti]

M. Mikael Tutti say: know thy enemy. read the bible!

[Big J Q]

I have never really read the bible with critical mind; It's always been like "gee, I have to read this, and answer the questions on that paper", although I have had intentions of doing so. It's truths may be false, but at least it has some good stories and metaphors.

[Pakana]

Yep, it's a good story book with some valuable (misinterpretated) ideas, albeit a bit boring for the most time. Too bad that it has been taken so seriously by these people. What would they say if I started to preach the message of The Lord of the Rings? :lol:

[allissson]

"So you got into trouble because you questioned priests' beliefs? My condolences, but no harm done, yes?"

:) that's right, but it was not just one occasion, it was all the time. No harm was done far as I was concerned. My parents took me out of that school and i could not have been happier.

One question Big JQ - are you talking about the old section or the propaganda section? I admire the teacher for at least taking time over you. Shows she has an open mind. But then again, that sort of religion teacher does not exist in USA........nor do priests like your Rev. Antti Kylliäinen. I wish his vitun book was published in english.

"I would have *paid* to see you question that sh*t and the teachers' reactions...."

I was only about 9 or 10 at the time.

"M. Mikael Tutti say: know thy enemy. read the bible!"

:lol: Yes, that is true! :)

[Big J Q]

I really can't remember, but I have the papers at home, so I'll check. As far as I remember, I picked up the excerpts here and there from a larger list.

Who is Antti Kylliäinen? Never heard.

[allissson]

"Who is Antti Kylliäinen? Never heard."

:lol: go to your local church and ask the priest in charge.... :evil:

He's a christian priest who does not buy into the whole package of bullshit. He wrote (I think) two books that strip away the crap surrounding christianity and he stated that there's no such thing as hell and apparently it got a lot of people's knickers in a wad. :lol: I would love for that guy to come over here with that book. :lol:

[vitr]

I know someone who could use a read of that book...

But I can't teach her to play chess, let alone Finnish. :lol: I think IQ has a lot to do with religious belief. :p

[mmtutti]

Kylliäinen is a worthy opponent, as far as priests go, but Riku Rinne and his Holy Ithyphallic Landola are a Baneful Icon of the Foe (sorry: been playing Space Hulk rather vigorously...) bless your weapons, and fight with honour!

[aboriginaali]

That son of a huora Riku Rinne came to visit my school when i was about 13 years old. First he performed some of his poor, yet sort of funny jesus-glorification songs and then he told stories about his friend who became a satanist. That guy for exemple went to see some "satanic" bands gig, and he looked what happened in the backstage. What he saw was the singer of the band doing some horrific rituals and masturbating on the altar! Riku also told us how he personally got rid of those evil spirits that tormented him: He was at home with his girlfriend(at midnight), and they felt how the "EVIL" started to crawl out from a closet! They prayed for jesus and salvation, and suddenly door opened and there was jesus himself in a brilliant light, and all the evil demons were pushed back to that magical closet!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: That was real comedy!

[allissson]

god DAAAAMN :eek: - must have been some high quality paska he was on!

Weren't people about to choke from laughing so hard at the bullsh.it he was telling?

hmm.....Riku Huoranpoika Rinne - I'll have to look this vittumainen up and see what his malfunction is..............soon as I can stop laughing :lol:

[aboriginaali]

Most of the people did´nt lough at all. Somehow he was quite convincing, and most of the kids did´nt really know anything about occultism or even metal music that he mocked all the time. I had horrible troubles not to laugh when his story reached the point where jesus opens the door and Riku started to move around the classroom like he had somekind of vibrator in his ass! :lol:

[allissson]

:lol: :lol: I was one 13-year-old that that man should consider himself VITUN lucky he didn't meet. I am surprised that the school even allowed some kusipää like that around the children.

[vitr]

We had the bible brigade, like how wonderful Jesus was to live up to these magical prophecies that has been around for thousands of years before... but no-one ever took them seriously. Well, there were the mummies-boys/girls I guess who live to please.. :|

We generally took the piss out of the ones we got. But they weren't that bad, I mean, in the UK people are generally apathetic about religion.

It must be scary, to have this @#%$ all around.

Have to check my closet. I'll print out a pic of Impaled Nazarene and put it on the door. That should keep the shining crap outta my room. :lol:

[allissson]

"shining crap"?

What is that? Sorry, I don't get it.

[Big J Q]

Hehheh, this guy kicks some ass :lol:

I was about 13-14 when he first came to visit our school. He told his stories about satanists and Jesus blah blah. Then I remember asking us questions like "Who have played Doom / watched the film 'Pet Sematary'", and when he found out that the majority of us had done so, he was quite appalled :D

Last spring he came to preach here in Laihia again, and I went to hear his ceremony. It was quite a disappointing event, since he didn't fall into a religious frenzy telling us about exaggerated miracles.

[vitr]

Oh, I misread. I thought the shining Jesus was in the closet. :lol:

And you kids didn't think to raid his coat for illegal substances when he was engrossed in his bullshit? :lol:

[allissson]

I dunno vitr - I should think that Jesus wouldn't wanna be seen with this ass.hole. Jesus is the real victim here.

I just had a look at this bloke. :lol: oh yeah, you people have a right flamer on your hands there for sure. He plays for other team I think. ;) He can SAY he has a girlfriend, but he has faggot written all over him.

What's the deal here anyway - does this faggot fukker hit every 13-14 year old classroom in Finland or did aboriginaali and BigJQ go to the same school? BigJQ - :eek: you did not SERIOUSLY go see this jackass a second time by your own choice did you? :eek: There's better ways to have a laugh, trust me. ;)

[Big J Q]

Riku Rinne has wandered from school to school to "save children from satan's black grasp".

And yes, I chose to see his ceremony. I was expecting opportunities to laugh out loud there and question his agenda, but his show was surprisingly boring. In TV this guy has stated that Pokémon is of satan, Iron Maiden is the clearest connection to satan (Number of the beast!) and so on AND at the same time he sees nothing wrong in exorcism practised in his congregation (or whatever vittu seurakunta is in english).

So naturally I thought this was a perkeleen good way of reaping good laughs, but no.

[allissson]

:lol: let's reason here............technically, if kids are in "satan's black grasp", they are indeed following christian ideology - correct? And isn't that what this fool is trying to preach?

>opportunities to laugh out loud there and question his >agenda, but his show was surprisingly boring.

well, I guess he puts on the pantomime to amuse the kids and leaves it out of his adult shows.

>Pokémon is of satan, Iron Maiden is the clearest connection >to satan

No, Pokemon is of the same gaming company that produces Magic-the Gathering. As for Iron Maiden, their drummer is caught up in the same bullshit sort of church as he is actually. Nicko McBrain made some big announcement some time back that he is a born again Christian and dedicates his life to the lord and so on.

>exorcism practised in his congregation (or whatever vittu >seurakunta is in english).

seurakunta is congregation in english. Kusipäänseurakunta is more specifically this guy's congregation. but exorcism.....ooh! Banishing rituals are considered "witchcraft" if people like you and I were to do them, but of course, it suits his need so it's suddenly OK for him. This guy is just one big hypocrite. And I bet that collecting money is a big part of his agenda too.

[vitr]

What we need is some pyro's, one of us dress up in a Devils' costume, I'll pinch some dry ice from the lab, and we can have the laugh of our lives scaring the @#%$ out of this bloke!

:lol: :evil: :lol: :evil: :lol: :evil: :lol: :evil: :lol:

[aboriginaali]

Don´t forget the closet!

[allissson]

The only thing that's hiding in THAT guy's closet is the truth about his sexuality. (this is where I could get downright crude but I'll you good people that atrocity)

[aboriginaali]

Or maby some stinky clothes he forgot to wash after embracing this "shiny crap". hmmm..

[allissson]

I swear, the more I hear about this Riku Rinne the more i want to just jump up and bitch-slap him..........

[Big J Q]

No, not banishing, but resurrecting and communicating with dead people. Weird...though I haven't heard of any success ;)

I have this nagging feeling, that the most christian extremists, that seriously think they're absolutely right and the others are absolutely wrong, are hypocrites. They'd do anything to promote their cause; The end justifies the means and it's surely perfectly okay to go on a crusade against entertainment such as violent horror movies and metalmusic among other things.

[allissson]

"No, not banishing, but resurrecting and communicating with dead people. Weird...though I haven't heard of any success "

No way! You're not telling me that this idiot tries to channel! :eek: I'd pay to see that. :lol:

[aboriginaali]

I assume that he found the channel from his hypocrite fag-ass!

[allissson]

:lol: you know you're right about that :)

[WanKKa]

Talkin about Riku Rinne. He has a own website too...Go check and laugh www.rikurinne.com :cool:

RIKU RINNE AND THE MISSION FROM THE LORD

hmm....whata whaco :p

[allissson]

:evil: Thank you sweetie! :evil:

[vitr]

Aw dammit, in Finnish. Aw well, I got to laugh at the pictures. :lol: I know I should grow up, but you gotta laugh. :lol:

[mmtutti]

the pictures pretty much tell it all. we're dealing with a man with a mission.

[Big J Q]

Hah, I also visited his page, and had to laugh at the pictures and the stories :lol:

Charming man, isn't he! ;)

[allissson]

:lol: I finally got this page to come up on my browser :lol:

Why can't this fu.cker find a proper job? Did you see his "tour schedule"? He doesn't miss one town or city does he? I am just very VERY relieved that the only "Lakeland" he is going to visit is in Finland. ;) He really believes in that paska doesn't he? Keep THAT vittumainen over there. He's a real ass master, I don't care WHAT he claims. Just look at those pics!!! Don't drop anything on the floor if you are around him. ;)

I was SO disappointed that there was no e-mail address for him though..........not even a guestbook.... :evil:

[mmtutti]

what? he went to Albania!? what was that all about, a fukkin crusade?

[allissson]

:lol: yeah, how about that? Actually, he should go to Afghanistan and try to promote christianity. :evil: They'll take that guitar and shove it up his ass and imprison him and then the world will be a safe place again :)