Nazis

[Huurretursas]

I have for some time wondered why on earth do some neonazis/skinheads see it fit to disgrace old paganic symbols by linking them to their own ideologies. Usually I just dismiss such stuff or laugh at it but when my own parents upon visiting them thought that carrying a hammer of Thor around my neck somehow makes me a skinhead I got quite pissed off. As far as I know vikings weren't particularily racist. Quite the opposite even. Neither should paganism today in any country be linked to beating foreigners on the street or cooking up conspiracy theories of Jewish world domination.

And by the way. I have no opposition to someone being both pagan and Nazi (although these two things do somewhat contradict each other) as long as they don't consider them to be the same thing.

[allissson]

Welcome to the forum Huurretursas! :)

It annoys me no end as well. But hitler was an ignorant man with ignorant ideology, not at all different to the multitudes of wanna-be's who continually misuse the Pagan symbolism today. It's unfortunate for us that these are the assholes who get noticed and so public opinion is based on the misrepresentations of these ignorant people. I will - and DO - correct these people at every opportunity. and sometimes I'm not very nice about it either.

the one about Thor's hammer being a nazi symbol is one I've not heard before. I don't think anyone belongs wearing that symbol unless they are of Scandinavian heritage or an Asatruar. It's a sacred symbol.

I don't think it's possible to be a true Pagan and a nazi at the same time because for one thing Paganism is a valid religion and nazism is a trend. And unfortunately these ignorant souls see both as trendy. The trend contradicts the beliefs of the religion so what you have on your hands when one claims to be both is a genuine hypocrite.

[Pakana]

Hitler was not particularly ignorant when it comes to mixing various traditions for his "national socialist" ideology. He (or his propaganda ministers) knew very well what he was doing, and he did everything in benefit of "the third reich"... or himself. And, don't get me wrong, this pisses me off, because by those means he desecrated many traditions, and now every ignorant soul links Mjöllnir, the Swastika and hell, even Sibelius to nazism!

I am pagan and very proud of it. I am Finnish and very proud of it too. But I detest and despise nazi "ideology". I have met people who seriously think I'm a nazi because of the symbols I wear, perhaps even because of the way I describe myself, but they are not worth my attention. I think I have blattered all of this too many times already.

But the jews are still plotting to rule the world. :p

[Hittavainen]

Wellcome.
> As far as I know vikings weren't particularily racist.
No they weren't. They were long-distance-traders and they must have knew foreigh cultures very well. And got along with them too. (at least those that they didn't robbed at the first place :lol: )

Even i, who am a long-haired and bearded civil-service faggot('sivari', a hippie who don't go to finnish army and gets punished by 13 months of work), am so pathriotic that in my opinion there's already too much foreign crap in Finland, including nazism. (We shouldn't take everything that we're offered without criticism, and without alteration. For example, our nazis are often direct copies of German skinheads. What they want then? That Germany will occupy Finland? :rolleyes: Ok, they're just stupid. That's about it.).
Keep Finland clean. :lol:

I think that the Finnish pagans are keeping too little noise of their selves. The finnish media doesn't get a heck what's going on (as usual) and they link too skinheads and pagans without worrying about it.

[vitr]

Hitler claimed to be pagan? :eek:

I would say that nazi ideologies go with any conformist religion, that arrogant "my way is the only true way" crap. I'd think it more likely that Jesus was xtain or muslim even. :lol:

[Pakana]

"Hitler claimed to be pagan?"

Never - as far as I'm concerned. He just adopted of paganism that what was useful to his means. Dishonour. Disgrace. Infamy.

[Laine]

Yeah, the "corruption" of the swastika is sad, as it was one helluva central symbol.

[allissson]

How the hell did Sibelius ever earn a nazi label?! :eek: Was hitler a fan of his music or something? that's fu.cked up.

I have such a hatred for hitler like nothing else. hate is not a good thing I know, but I think well justified in this case. I also have a deep hatred for violence and to me hitler and violence are synonymous.

USA probably has more nazis than anywhere in the world. It's a pretty sick trend that's popular with high school people. My interpretation is that it's people who are insecure about their own self worth who fall in with this crap. A bunch of dickless conformists. And they get that way because either their parents take no time with them or they are force-fed religion or both. People here want to have bunches of kids but they don't want to raise them. This is a nation of selfish people.

I never have understood what people mean by the Jews conspiring to rule the world. Hopefully they will, then they can exterminate the nazis :lol:

Hittavainen - you're no less of a person just because you chose civil service. I agree that one shouldn't take everything offered without criticism and/or alteration. Just look at what USA is now because of just that.

Germans occupy Finland? :lol: :lol: I'd think any country would be shi.t scared to try it :lol:

"I think that the Finnish pagans are keeping too little noise of their selves."

You are probably right, but not only in Finland, and I used to be the same way but now I will not hesitate to speak up and defend my beliefs. Christians and the like will only choke us out and/or discredit us as long as we allow them to.

I thought there were no organisations for dealing with this problem, but apparently there are and right on my doorstep.
And yours too.

"Never - as far as I'm concerned. He just adopted of paganism that what was useful to his means. Dishonour. Disgrace. Infamy."

Ditto that for me too.......very well said. :)

Pagans have been the punching bag for all this sh.it for TOO long.

[mmtutti]

"now I will not hesitate to speak up and defend my beliefs."

good. let's keep that mind for the following.

just for the record: I am not racist, I am not sexist, I am not homophobic -- yet I respect people like Varg Vikernes, for he is a learned man. a person can have a perfectly sound opinion A, even if his/her opinion B is questionable. I feel that Vikernes has justified his beliefs, from a certain point of view. Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

you see, children, there are no universal truths. everything is individual. everyone is entitled to their opinions, whatever they may be. if you do not agree with them, that does not make you automatically right. Hitler might have been a prick, but that is no reason for anyone to dis his beliefs. that's what religion is for, as we have already established.

[Laine]

As a person living in america, you must have noticed that multiculturalism and "democracy" is not such a good thing either, right, allisson?

Are the kids there just dumb nazis, or even the dumber kind, wp-skinheads?

I think the idea about jews conspiring to rule the world spawned from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" (could be wrong about the english name...), a scam of a book about the jews and their evil plottings written sometime in the 19th century, which Hitler used to spread antisemitism.
But isn't it a bit like in the Herbert books - "Whoever controls the money, controls the universe", and I'd see there are a lot of jews in the banking business, among other big industries.

[allissson]

"yet I respect people like Varg Vikernes, for he is a learned man."

Out of respect of all concerned here I will not enter into a conversation about Varg Vikernes because I can guarantee that you won't like what I have to say.

"you must have noticed that multiculturalism and "democracy" is not such a good thing either, right, allisson?"

what part of yes do you want me start with answering this question? It has turned this country into one big dysfunctional society.

"Are the kids there just dumb nazis, or even the dumber kind, wp-skinheads?"

bit of both and then some. I think immaturity is a contributing factor too. You see Laine, you are what, 16? Well, in this country I could not have even half as interesting and intelligent a conversation with grown adults as I have had with you on this forum. There is a VERY distinct difference in the mentality of Europeans and the mentality of Americans. I have lived in both places and it wasn't until I had that I could see as clear as the nose on my face just HOW vitun dysfunctional USA mentality is and how much I really dislike American people. say for example if you came here to be an exchange student and I put you in the high school here, you'd not know where to begin listing the differences you'd find.

It was much harder for me to adjust to moving back to here from Europe than it was for me to adjust to living in Europe in the first place.

The Jews and the Arabs seem to be buying up everything. Maybe that's why they are having all this crap between the Jews and Muslims. :lol:

[vitr]

I think I'll follow Allissson's example and keep my mouth shut here. :x

[Laine]

I should do that too when I know nothing about the subject. But we have to remember that the picture we probably have of nazis is the one created by the winners of the war (comparable with the demonizing of pagans by christianity). Puolue.cjb.net (http://Puolue.cjb.net) is worth checking - and all the 3rd Reich stuff at the history section of www.taivaansusi.net (http://www.taivaansusi.net) (I'm not over-advertising... I'm not...).

[allissson]

"the picture we probably have of nazis is the one created by the winners of the war (comparable with the demonizing of pagans by christianity). "

The only difference is that with the nazis, it is factual and there was no exaggeration.

[Laine]

Of course the basics can't be twisted by even the most orwellian truth ministries, but I'd say there could have been some tweaking of numbers with the Holocaust after the war among other things which I *surprise, surprise* can't specify. Doesn't sound too odd that the Allied would defame (or just put the nazis' beliefs into a negative light, it is all about how you/the people see right and wrong) the almost-victorious enemy. That's all I "know", so I won't be making a fool of myself by saying more about this.

White supremacy aside, "one country for one folk" isn't such a bad idea.

[mmtutti]

communication. what is it all about? it pains me no end to see how something as vital as exchange of thoughts only leads to conflicts and arguments. sometimes I wonder why I even bother.

you keep missing my points. Vikernes really has nothing to do with this, that was just an example. I shall draw you a picture: nothing is "real" outside the human point of view, except for the laws of physics and mathematics. yea, verily, I officially side with Laine (or he sides with me, whatever). people, take up some philosophy, it'll be good for you.

"The only difference is that with the nazis, it is factual and there was no exaggeration."

that is, in a word, crap. how do you suppose to know that? I am quite certain that some twisting of the truth has occurred. tell me, when has the winner not done that? in war, you cannot trust either side.

[allissson]

so the nazis were really fine upstanding friendly non-racist, non-dictating, non-opressive people who hosted these really nice holiday camps for Jews? Ok, whatever you say......

[vitr]

Yes, of course they were. Nasty non-Nazis spread all sorts of lies about them. Perhaps we are all jealous we're not Aryan. That must be it.

I mean, I'm not a Nazi or anti-Jew or anything, but I really respect Hitler for being so intelligent and loyal to his ideals. He thought he was superior to the Jews, so he killed millions of them. How truer can you possibly be. I mean, I don't hate Jews or anything, but you have to respect just how true he was to himself and his ideals.

This is my last post in this Forum.

[Laine]

"Even the most stupid dictator cannot be as stupid as the majority of the people", said a fisherman once.

[allissson]

"Even the most stupid dictator cannot be as stupid as the majority of the people", said a fisherman once. "

There is definitely truth to that...............it's like who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? :)

[Laine]

That too, but I think Linkola meant it more as "the democracy we have is a lot more devastating to nature/all other life than it would be if there were even a semi-capable dictator leading the country". There were some pretty nature-minded people in the national socialist party, and I bet the NS Green party would be more effective than the current finnish Green party (which isn't any different from the other major parties, at least when it comes to effectiveness). I still do not romanticize the Third Reich or worship Hitler.

[allissson]

well I can tell you for sure that the USA government has no regard for the Nature because this cu.nt we have here is looking to drill for oil wherever he can, and he's ready to trash the pristine Alaskan Wildlife Refuge!! Can you believe that!?!? Just so these mf's here can have cheap petrol to drive around in their petrol-guzzling SUV's. it's positively vulgar.

[mmtutti]

"so the nazis were really fine upstanding friendly non-racist, non-dictating, non-opressive people who hosted these really nice holiday camps for Jews? Ok, whatever you say......"

did I say that? did I really? ok, some of my comments were a little provocative, and for that I sincerely apologise. alas, it is not the first and definitely not the last time I've got myself into a fight with my vocally expressed opinions, trust me. provocation is my middle name. well, actually it isn't, but it should be... a third of what I say is self-irony, a third is pure sarcasm, the rest you may take for real (I myself do not always know which is which). but still you fail to see the essence of my meaning, and cling to this Nazi issue instead. my intentions were purely philosophical and universal. if that is beyond you, so mote it be.

[allissson]

I wasn't aware that a fight was in progress nor do i wish to engage in one. It IS possible to hear the comments and opinions of others without taking it all so personally. What one person says can mean 100 different things to 100 different people. And chances are 99 of them will not get your point. That's not to say any ONE of them is necessarily right or wrong. Now, let's get things in perspective here and keep them there. :)

[Laine]

Yeah, and Finland doesn't have that many a square kilometer of "untouched" forest left. The world is fuc.ked up, and only those with the guts for militant/illegal opposition (yes, the likes of V. Vikernes - if he is not just some pus.sy who writes from behind prison walls just for fun) can have any chances of changing the situation (unless you have some vitun large majority properly educated about the situation and manipulated accordingly, which isn't going to happen with legally gotten resources). The plutocrats sitting on their thrones at meetings like the G8 do not give a fu.ck about how many hippies there are putting flowers to gun barrels at their porch, I would guess.

Too much life is deadlier than war, and "we still have a chance to be cruel, but if we are not cruel today, all is lost". (www.eyemag.com/more_linkola.html (http://www.eyemag.com/more_linkola.html) - and I don't worship him either, but he has some serious point.)

[allissson]

It's not OK to kill people under ANY circumstances. It's not OK to destroy property that does not belong to you. It's not OK to to condone violence.

[Laine]

Just relax and choke back the tears as you watch idiots who cannot see farther than their noses destroy the world? I'd prefer violence. If there were alternatives. If it were possible to have any effect on things of such grand scale.

[allissson]

but it doesn't. when has violence ever made a difference for good? it just breeds more violence and subsequently destruction. People need to care a lot more, that what it's gonna take to bring about change. Mankind is too selfish.

[Laine]

Although I have zero life experience and I've read a zillion times less history and human-science stuff than you, I see another "love revolution" (like in the 60's) less possible/effective than a violent one. Did the hippies bring down any factories or anyhow affect politics? How can you fight against law enforcers / military if you have no weapons or will to fight? (That kind of) martyrs won't do any good for nature's survival (which this "war" would, speculating a lot now, be about). Again, if it was possible to remove the spell of money and power from the ones who pull the strings, of course no guns would be needed. But how is that going to happen?

Of course violence breeds violence, but does the realization of that really place us above violence? It does not negate love and caring.
I have already over-quoted (let this be the last PL one), but I couldn't say it better with my own words: "When the lifeboat is full, those who hate life will try to load it with more people and sink the lot. Those who love and respect life will take the ship's axe and sever the extra hands that cling to the sides of the boat." (applied to the subject we're discussing, not just overpopulation)

Why would fighting to make the re-establishment of a more natural way of life possible for humans be selfish? "My ideology is better than yours - so die!" is selfish indeed, but in this case the "ideology" really is better and the sentence goes "Your ideology (=greed) has brought Earth to the brink of destruction - so die!".

[Huurretursas]

"Why would fighting to make the re-establishment of a more natural way of life possible for humans be selfish?"

I think the problem here is that any permanent changes in a level of societies can be introduced by force. Enforcement breeds rebellion (f.e. pagans converted to chrisitians here in the north) and before you know you would probably have an "anti-nature" revolution in your hands.

Forcing people to follow ideolgies works especially badly on nature conservationism (and pasifism, anarchism etc.) where you basically need only a few "rotten eggs" to ruin the whole thing; everyones got to be behind it or it's not going to work.

Oh yes. Mjöllnir as a Nazi symbol is quite popular here in Finland, since they confuse "viking heritage" (although finns weren't actually vikings) and nationalism with hatred for others and thus proudly carry according symbols while heiling Hitler who would have made them "servants" of the Third Reich (meaning a rank slightly above "slave")

[aboriginaali]

As far as P. Linkola is concerned, i think his points are sometimes good, but they should not been taken so litterally. It´s about ideology not practice.
For example when he said that we should diminish worlds human population to one million, he got that right because that´s the number of people that would´nt harm nature globally. But of course when we start killing billions of people to reach that point and decide who deserves to die it´s worse than facism. the whole point in democracy is, that we have fundamentalism in two sides, like nationalism and communism(bad example)between those sides(whatever they are) is the middle-way: democracy. Ok, it does´nt work allways too good but that´s the ideology of it. So we need Pentti Linkola to open our eyes to realize the condition of our nature, but on the other hand we should´nt kill people who are running the industry or destroy factories because that would´nt do any good for anybody. Violence only produces more violence.
And Nazis are one thing that people allways try to search positive things about. They gave us a good lesson, but it did´nt do any good for anybody. Not even to them.

[Pakana]

aboriginaali - my recognition for the first thoroughly intelligent comment since the beginning of this argument

laine - does gandhi ring a bell?

...and huurretursas - mr. trollhorn might have a word or two about that viking thing ;)

[Laine]

Gandhi had quite a bunch of people behind him.

[Pakana]

"Gandhi had quite a bunch of people behind him."

Yes, but no weapons nor will to fight. You previously stated that such are necessary in order to change things.

[Laine]

There's a difference between the tv-numbed people of "western countries" and the really oppressed and poor people of India, I would guess. (Politically) aware and (similarly) active people do not come in such numbers in Finland as in India, right?

[Pakana]

"(Politically) aware and (similarly) active people do not come in such numbers in Finland as in India, right?"

No, but nothing like that was stated in your original premises. :rolleyes:

[allissson]

"Although I have zero life experience"

not zero Laine, unless you were just born yesterday. ;) what you have to say is no less valid or no less important just because you are younger.

"love revolution" (like in the 60's)"

:lol: yeah, the 60's were fu.cked up for sure. They achieved nothing back then. They were too full of drugs all the time to make a coherent difference. My idea about the 60's is that it was just one huge overblown trend and trends don't make differences in the world.

"if it was possible to remove the spell of money and power from the ones who pull the strings"

yes, that's exactly it. that's what drives all this corruption and that's how things got so out of control in the first place. That's precisely what we are up against in USA with this apology of a 'leader" we have. It's a known fact that he and all the people he so carefully placed in his government have heavy interests and investments in the oil industry. He WANTS very badly to drill for oil in Florida. You know what one minor oil spill will do to the ecosystem here? If a natural disaster like a hurricane can destroy the ecosystem of the Everglades, imagine what an oil spill would do. :eek:

"Why would fighting to make the re-establishment of a more natural way of life possible for humans be selfish? "

ABSOLUTELY NOT!! it's not selfish to want to protect and honout nature.

"Forcing people to follow ideolgies works especially badly on nature conservationism (and pasifism, anarchism etc.) where you basically need only a few "rotten eggs" to ruin the whole thing; everyones got to be behind it or it's not going to work."

I think there is well enough example in historical record to support that statement :)

"Mjöllnir as a Nazi symbol is quite popular here in Finland, since they confuse "viking heritage" (although finns weren't actually vikings) and nationalism with hatred for others "

:( I am truly sorry to hear that. What a vitun shame! :(

I read through some of the things that Linkola guy wrote about. He's a bit up on his soap box with some of it.

"And Nazis are one thing that people allways try to search positive things about."

the only positive thing about nazis was the fall of the regime.

Ahh yes...Gandhi......now HE had the right idea. He took on the British Empire, not only the Indian government. He did it non-violently AND he got major results. MAJOR results. We need a lot more people like him. True, he had a lot of people behind him but one could almost say that he shamed the British Empire into change. That's vitun cool IMO.

[Serenity]

People tend to put everything they think is "evil" into a bunch and not think it through first.

Personally I despise Nazis. One thing they knew right though was propagandha. There has never been such a great propagandha than on Nazi -period Germany. That reminds me, I gotta go to my class soon, it´s rhetoric and argumentation (yes, we have also been speking about nazis there too).

[Laine]

"No, but nothing like that was stated in your original premises."

Among a hundred other things. I wasn't talking about India then. :D (hopefully :p )

Yeah, Linkola might not be the most politically-correct-kind-of-sane person on earth, but I'd say he has had time to think about the things he preaches.

[allissson]

"but I'd say he has had time to think about the things he preaches."

Oh, I'm sure he has. I am curious, what does the average Finn think about this man, do they think he's a nutter or do they pay attention to what he has to say? I mean, it seems to me that he has A LOT to say indeed. :)

[Laine]

(Almost) every article I've read of him in the web says he's regarded as some sort of national hero in Finland, but I stumbled on his writings first at Taivaansusi(.net), then borrowed some books from the library. Hadn't heard of him before, I guess it's just a media conspiracy to keep the public unaware of such things. :p (yes, I don't read magazines nor do I watch tv (except Oz :smokin: ), so it has to be a conspiracy that the aeroplanes carrying huge "Pentti Linkola" banderolls have skillfully avoided me)
It's been dead quiet about him in school too, or I haven't been paying attention.

In other words, I have no idea what the average one thinks about him. If I am not counted as "average".

[allissson]

"It's been dead quiet about him in school too"

:lol: it WOULD be, wouldn't it?

well, when you say this guy's name to your parents, what is their reaction?

[Laine]

They (mother and whatever the one is called who lives under the same roof) at least know who he is, though I don't think they've read anything by him. "Another doomsday prophet, may talk the truth but what do I care as it will not affect anything" could be it. I'm not sure about my father, he doesn't live in city but he could dislike Linkola just because of career, he works for Stora-Enso, a big forest corporation.

[allissson]

I understand..... :lol:

so.......what do they think of Ior Bock?

[Laine]

I really have to find out what I think of Ior Bock first. :p

[Pakana]

At least the government of Finland wasn't that attracted by Linkola's statement about the terrorist attack on USA. ;)

[allissson]

Oh, I'd love to hear what he has to say about it because it's highly likely I'd agree.

You've gotta love this one:

"This shunned approach to phenotypic prognostication, Linkola holds, would suddenly resurface, denying “genetically unfit” parents the right to bear children. For those select families allowed to breed, a strict two-child limit would be enforced on all households."

:lol: PRECISELY what should be done in Florida. This would dramatically decrease the redneck population and eliminate more problems than I could list here.

[Laine]

That statement rocked (uh-huh-huh-huh). :D

"Pubic opinion" - art thou mocking me? :p

[Serenity]

Linkola gave a lecture once in an internat where my aunt works. She told me that it had turned out that the man actually has tv and every other piece of comfort and entertainment, electricity etc. in his cabin in the woods...
Well, nobody is perfect :D ,
don´t do as I do, but do like I tell you to.

[Laine]

Let's go rob him!

[allissson]

does that mean he is bourgeois? :lol:


Hey, where can I read his comments on that terrorist attack, does anyone know? :evil:

[Laine]

koti.mbnet.fi/juhovh/linkola.html (http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhovh/linkola.html)

Pentti Linkola rejoices of the terrorist attacks in New York

Holkeri was shocked by Linkola's statements
- The hope lies now in the arab countries. Unbelievably great these actions of theirs in the USA, praises Pentti Linkola the September's terrorist attack.
Councillor of State, Harri Holkeri who was witnessing the happenings in New York, sees Linkola's view horrendous.

Pentti Linkola thinks destroying the World Trade Center with captured aeroplanes was genius. Harri Holkeri was shocked by his thoughts.

Fisherman Pentti Linkola did not spare his words as he rejoiced of the New York tragedy in an interview with Sunnuntaisuomalainen. He praises the "genius" of the attacks like an ice hockey announcer the victorious goal of a championship finale.

- How could they be so skillful... Of all world's buildings, exactly these which should have been felled! It was completely planned. If the planes had hit higher in the towers, the mass in flames wouldn't have been enough to collapse the entire towers. If they had hit too low, because of ???blame the dictionary, some momentum??? the towers would have fallen (instead of collapsing). Then the lower floors would have survived. Now they got it with the whole basement too, says Linkola.

In Linkola's opinion the world is following USA's footsteps into it's own doom. He thinks the terrorist attacks are justified, because they can save the whole world from destruction. Linkola thinks that thousands of americans and the dead civilians of the war in Afganistan are a cheap price for the world's survival.

- That should make this system of death led by the USA creak a little. Beautiful words aren't any good. It has to lead into something like the terrorist attacks that life on earth might survive.

"Terrible."

Councillor of State Harri Holkeri is almost speechless to hear about Linkola's words.

- As I followed what happened from close, I could say that there cannot be a more horrible opinion than Linkola's. Yes, there are many kinds of people but I'd hope that opinions like this wouldn't be presented, says Holkeri.

Linkola gives no mercy even for the civilians caught in the Afganistan war. He rejects the humanitarian aid sent into Afganistan.

- Feeding people, who have spoiled their own farming possibilities. For example the children of Afganistan are being transported food, when they should be given food grown in Afganistan or be left to die. It is completely clear for a biologist. These are forcefully being kept alive. Terrible things, Linkola states.

Linkola doesn't even accept refugees.

- Now this is horrible, when even in Finland refugees are taken to suck our natural resources and they are even provided with our standard of living.

Holkeri rejects Linkola's words immediately.

- I have a different picture of loving thy neighbor than he has, Holkeri comments.

Linkola is even against democracy

Linkola also preaches about the evils of democracy.

- Then we have democracy atop everything, where the people -in other words, the stupidest- are in control. It is an entirely different thing to have a dictature to control these people. Democracy is the most desperate and horrendous system possible. In democracies the destruction has gone furthest. In democratically controlled countries the ecological strain is highest and environmental catastrophe the deepest.

Holkeri doesn't understand that kind of thinking.

- If this land had no democracy, Linkola wouldn't be able to state these opinions of his. Only in free democracy this kind of opinions can be presented. If the society was different, this couldn't be presented.

Holkeri has no problems defining where Linkola's speeches should go.

- Into the thrash can, that kind of speeches.


(hurried and extremely poor translation by me... but you'll get the point)

Some "related" :p links:
purkamo.com/ukuli (http://purkamo.com/ukuli)
purkamo.com/ukuli/2 (http://purkamo.com/ukuli/2)
www.kolumbus.fi/jik/sarastus/ (http://www.kolumbus.fi/jik/sarastus/)

[Crimson Twin]

I have nothing else to say about nazis/skinheads than that they suck!!! and big time!!!

[allissson]

:lol: I wonder what it would take to get that man to come over here and speak to the media :lol: He's not totally wrong you know.

[thekjide]

Huh, well. Why bother talking about those f.uckin' nazis when they are to f.uckin' stupid to understand what they say. I wonder if they are even worth making the effort to go and kill them, but the best way to do that would be to stuck an umbrella up their asses, open it while in the ass and taking it out, making sure that you got the kidney. So then you can stick it up their nose (and since they have no brain it shouldn't be to difficult).

What I just said was really stupid... like they did to the Jews, we must humiliate them and burry them alive.

[allissson]

maybe they could do a practise run on Bush to make sure it works :evil: :lol:

[Laine]

www.nazis-raus-aus-dem-internet.de/ (http://www.nazis-raus-aus-dem-internet.de/)

Long live Free Speech!

[allissson]

Laine - what is that site? it's in German.

[Laine]

I can't speak german, but the title means "Nazis out of the Internet" - truly an admirable display of tolerance, in our supposedly neutral webspace. One could ask, who are the real nazis in this case.