What pets do you have???

[Crimson Twin]

So the question goes like this... How many of you has pets???

I have one cat... It weights something like 8kg or something...
And we have a horse too...

We use to have many years ago about 12 rabbits... But now they are all dead... And we had 4 quineapicks or what a fuk those are in english...

[Laine]

In the zoo, in the zoo
I wanna see the snakes
I don't want to see the lions
Or the gorillas or the apes
I want to see a python
Squeeze somebody tight
Or a Boa Constrictor
In the middle of the night

Snake hips boy, gonna lay you down
Gonna spoil your fun
Don't tread on him when he's around
Don't tread on him when he's around
He'll squeeze you 'til you fit real good
Snake bite love, snake bite love
In the jungle, in the jungle
I don't wanna see the trees
I don't wanna see the flowers
Or the beetles or the bees
I wanna see an Anaconda
Coiled in the gloom
Suffocate an alligator,
Beneath a tropical moon

Snake hips boy, gonna lay you down
Gonna bite your ass
Don't tread on him when he's around
Don't tread on him when he's around
Slide over, you're just like a glove
Snake bite love, snake bite love
n the summer, in the summer
I don't wanna see the plants
I don't wanna see the termites
Or the rabbits or the ants
I wanna see a cobra,
Inflate his scary hood
And bite the unsuspecting,
I think that's really good

Snake hips boy, gonna lay you down
Gonna lose his skin
Don't tread on him when he's around
Don't tread on him when he's around
He'll squeeze you 'til you fit real good
Snake bite love, snake bite love
Don't tread on him when he's around
Don't tread on him when he's around
Forked tongue make you feel so good
Snake bite love, snake bite love

[allissson]

:lol: Laine, you're a trip! :lol: Did you put that together yourself?

[Laine]

Of course not, Lemmy did that. It's the Motörhead song "Snake Bite Love". :p

[allissson]

OH!! I see :) I'm not a big Mötörhead fan. I thought you wrote that yourself. :)

Pets....none right now unfortunately except for the lizards and wildlife. My cat passed away in August last year. She was 15. I was devastated as I had her since before I had my son and brought her and her twin brother with us from England.

When I feel ready, I will go to the animal shelter and look for 2 more cats. Self control will be very difficult because I will want to load the car up with cats and then I will have a very unhappy husband to contend with if I do that.

[Rainwail]

Jag har en hund (a dog)...

I had a turtle once... but I sold it.

[WanKKa]

I have a littlebrother called "Baboon" :p :p

[allissson]

:lol: Wankka - so how old is your babboon?

[Rainwail]

O I have a little brother-baboon too... He has a huge head ("Helvetin iso pää") and ears (big)!

[Hittavainen]

Hehee. We have a dog called Baboon (paviaani). He's very stupid and he has so hard head that you need Mjöllnir to damage his head.

[thekjide]

I use to have a black cat... I didn't bought it, it came everyday in my house so after a while I started feeding it and it became mine... forever!!! :evil:
But she died a couple of years ago when I had to go to Australia... couldn't live without me...
:( :( :( :( :(

[allissson]

damn, Baboon is a popular Finnish name isn't it? So when the Name day for that one?

When you get done with Mjöllnir, Hittavainen, can I borrow it for a few minutes? :lol:

[vitr]

Awww.... that's so sad about your cat, Allison! :( :( :(

I move about too much to have pets. But my parents have two cats which I love more than I love my parents! :lol:

[allissson]

Thank you Fireblade.......it was sad but at least now I have her as a spirit guide. :)

[Laine]

An evil spirit guide?

[Hittavainen]

Hitting my little Paviaani in the head with Mjöllnir? No his fur could hurt.
Ok, you can borrow it if you don't lend it to Ville. (After calling him a goth that wouldn't be a nice idea. :D )

[allissson]

No Laine, I don't deal in evil anything. :) A spirit guide (who happens to also be a totem animal in my case) assists you when you journey between the worlds. helps you solve problems and get answers. It's a very reliable method and a much better alternative to panic and worry. :)

Hittavainen - I promise I will not let Mjöllnir our of my sight while I borrow it. :)
Ville will get over being called a goth. One could be called much worse things than that you know. ;)

For the record - I hate goth posers too. More than whiggers even!

[Serenity]

None at the moment, but we have an aquarium in my parent´s house that used to be mine.

When I bought fishes the first time the seller said they´d be very nice and calm, ja vitut, they slayered each other in few weeks and the biggest one bit me too :D

[thekjide]

Yeah, fishes are funny... :lol:

I needed one for an experiment so I put it in an aquarium and he died I don't know why. So I bought another one, but then I was drunk and I put nitric acid in its water with a friend. Since it was very concentrated (23 mol/l), he passed away too. :(
At his funeral I decided to switch to mouses...
And they're even funnier: :p
I bought too, one male, one female, for another experiment. They had babies but the mother ate them and the father had an infection behind his ear. So he died too, with the mother who obviously couldn't digest her babies very well.

oh, and by the way, don't try adding war mead to water in your aquarium: first, it's a total waste and then your fish might not survive... didn't tried this yet, but there is never enough mead for me.

[vitr]

Serenity, we had a fish that would bite. It was some bottom-feeder that looked like a purple Jaws with huge whiskers. It would get out of the tiny hole in the lid where the wires and air tubes went, and the little bastard would be skittering round on the carpet on a regular basis. And there was no time to get the net, it was bare hands, back in the tank it went with all the fluff and dust, and it had a row of teeth like a serrated knife which drew blood.

He got so big we gave him to a pet shop in the end, as every new fish we got that was smaller than 8cm would "disappear". Amazing he lasted so long... but I think big sharky things can live out of water for quite a while.

The maximum molarity possible for nitric acid is 10-12. ;) And that's syrup that will dissolve your skin in a flash, and explode on contact with anything organic, as my friend adequately demonstrated in the lab... taking out the extractor fan for the fumehood. I'm glad I wasn't in the lab when that happened.... not even I have made that big a mess. :lol:

But even the bench strength stuff 3molar, that the undergrads use is not a good thing for a fish tank... yuck! Imagine how it feels to die of a corrosive liguid/gas all around you that you can't get away from when you don't understand what's happening. Ouch!

[vitr]

I can't decide which I dislike the most out of whiggers and goth posers....

But when I see a 14-yr old whigger in the shopping centre, I have this really childish urge to say, "Excuse me, your trousers appear to have slipped. Allow me to help." and give them a wedgie. :lol:

[Laine]

WIMPS AND POSERS - LEAVE THE HALL!

I don't like any kind of posers. Although I could be one myself, without knowing which type...

[Laine]

Goth-bashing:
www.fugly.com/victims/godisdeadtome/ (http://www.fugly.com/victims/godisdeadtome/)
www.fugly.com/victims/sugarbaybeme/ (http://www.fugly.com/victims/sugarbaybeme/)

The second one is maybe not that goth, but the last few insults have a point.

[thekjide]

vitr : 23 mol/l was an exageration. I know you could have a bottle resistant enough to hold this kind of molarity concentration anyway. And since I was drunk, I don't remember the exact concentration. But what is true is that the fish died.

[thekjide]

And by the way, nice site, Laine. These people make me laugh too... :lol:
The only one they manage to scare is themselves. :lol:

[Laine]

thekjide, are you somekind of an evil scientist? :p

[allissson]

Laine, that site is funny. I expect they are not short on idiots to use for it.

[Laine]

I'm not sure, but I think that I haven't laughed aloud more at any other site than the Fugly Victims...

[allissson]

yeah, I laughed too. they have some real winners on there, let me tell you. :lol:

[thekjide]

Laine:
I'm not an evil scientist, just an alchimist apprentice who occasionnally (quite often, actually) drinks mead... and sometimes I get a little drunk. In those time, I tend to re-invent nyttoglycerine in my own house. :p

[Laine]

Ah. :D

[allissson]

hmm......I thought Alchemy was the art of turning metal to gold by magickal means. That's something I wish i could do. :)

[Laine]

Maybe he's an avant garde alchemist?

[allissson]

well in that case he could work on a good hallucinogenic for us ;)

[thekjide]

allissson:
An alchimist IS making gold out of lead. But this is quiet hard to do, so for now I'm just testing the effect of nitric acid on goldfish.
If you want something hallucinogenic, the best way is obviously the best thing. Don't know about in english but in French there is a mushroom called satan's "bollet" (don't know how to translate about this one). It is not venimous and has absolutely no taste if you cook it. However, if you mix it with mass wine (avalaible from your local church) and then consume it, you will have strong hallucinations... so that's funny.
I didn't tried yet (because I don't like drugs and you're all going to hate me for this) but someone told me it was true.

[vitr]

:lol: : That's funny!

Break into our local churches and spike the booze. And the pisshead sheep won't know what hit them! :lol: :

Don't the church look down on alcoholics? Another case of do as I say, not do as I do. :x

[Laine]

"Another case of do as I say, not do as I do."

Ceremonial wine differs a bit from 24/7 drunkenness, unless you meant the stereotypical fat wine-and-food-consuming monk. :D

I had my last christian religion exam today in school. Ho ho ho. Shamefully, I think it went pretty well.

[allissson]

What kind of questions did they ask you on the exam? I can't believe that they actually TEST you on religion. Do THEY know that those are for sure the right answers? It's not so important as Language and Maths.

As for the hallucinogens........I have herbs can achieve that because I don't think I'll be able to track down those particular mushrooms you speak of here although they sound like they'd make a killer steak & mushroom pie ;) .

[Laine]

"Älä oo hysteerinen, niinku akat."

Well, they asked questions like what is the Anglican church of England or the life of Martin Luther like, and even made me to CONNECT THE RIGHT PROTESTANTS AND THEIR COUNTRIES WITH A LINE! My ancient and pristine pagan heathen spirit has been defiled and lays torn and unable to move on the cold cellar floor! THIS KNOWLEDGE I WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE!

Ok. Got carried away a bit. But the truth is, that I seem to grow more and more neutral (which is important if I plan to ignore it) on christianity the more people openly oppose it.

It must be a terrible and sinister conspiracy to test the students for what they have learnt (in any school subject), or have they learnt anything at all. Christianity just happens to be the most popular religion in the world right and the lutherian (whatever) church in Finland now, so I can't see why they wouldn't (not "shouldn't", mind you) teach it to the masses.

[Laine]

Of course there is disinformation, not-telling of things and other crap in the religion teaching (among other politically biased subjects, like history), but if it can be done well, why not do it so. (read: I missed the point of the "Do THEY know that those are for sure the right answers?" line of Allisson's, and the ravings of the previous message were a bit in vain. :D )

[Laine]

Aaaaand, by "doing it well", I absolutely didn't mean that they'd do well in teaching that stuff, but instead "if I can get a good grade from this without moving a finger, why not...".

[allissson]

I'd go through the roof if they had that in schools here.
I just think it's very wrong to force that knowledge on people.

What would happen if you failed that religion class?

[Laine]

"I'd go through the roof if they had that in schools here. "

What, they don't teach christian things in school there!? Gimmeabreak!

Believe me, it's not that serious here in Finland. Most people don't know the right things about the history of christianity to form a correct picture, but then again, I don't think many of them care much for what the bible or the priest says. I'd have gone mad if I had tried to forcefully hate every single christian I know, or to deny it's presence.
Am I being too liberal?

"I just think it's very wrong to force that knowledge on people."

Bah, christianity is a great way of identifying the flock.

"What would happen if you failed that religion class?"

Nothing, it would just decrease my chances for getting into the lukio I had first on my list, but as I don't really care into which I will go, the religion grade (or other grades) has absolutely no effect on me, except of course that lukio thing.


Situation:
- You are going to be taught the history of a religion you do not like.

Which is a better option for attitude?

a) to ignore, hate, mock everything taught in the class, achieving nothing
b) to think that even learning about this most horrendous thing, your worldview could change (even more away from black & white), no knowledge is really useless, "know your enemy"

Of course more interesting and useful things could be taught in school, but I think that those are better left for self-studying, as for example Kalevala forcefully read can make you never touch that book anymore. This case of teaching the wrong stuff is only bad for those with no desire to find out about things by themselves.

[Huurretursas]

I wouldn't think that religion classes are such a bad thing, if held correctly. At least my experience from the "school before highschool" (which was when I still belonged to the church) was good since our classes were about religion, not christianity. The wiewpoint was more scientific and sociological than denominational. Our techer even went as far as to claim christianity to be just a myth among others. Our book actually had a great deal of text on other religions such as buddhism and shintoism and students were allowed to hold presentations of any religion they saw fit, which I of course took advantage of. Also I was lucky enough to have a liberal hippie as a teacher and he told us much about religions that are even not recognized as religions in Finland (i.e. wicca, satanism, thelema).

And last of all. You don't need to take religion classes unless you belong to church.

[Laine]

My mother parted from the church when I was very young, and I could have chosen not to go to the religion classes (in the very first grades I read comics in another room while the others studied :D ), but somehow I just have ended up there...

Does anyone here hate those very visible golden confirmation-crucifixes that hang from about everyone's neck?

[Pakana]

"Does anyone here hate those very visible golden confirmation-crucifixes that hang from about everyone's neck?"

Why do you even ask? :) Like if I would enjoy people wearing symbols they are not behind by any means.

[thekjide]

haha
That's right, Pakana. Nothing's better than Thor's hammer.

Here's another subject that fell into deep debates about religion... Not that it depleases me though, I just don't know what to say then.

[Laine]

"To hell with it!" fits well everywhere.

"And if you don't listen..."

[allissson]

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No sir, they don't. It is illegal to teach religion in public schools here. They can - and do - in private schools which is why my son goes to public school.

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"Most people don't know the right things about the history of christianity to form a correct picture"
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I agree, but how can one be sure that the people teaching this to the kids are indeed teaching the "right things"? Do they know FOR SURE that what they are teaching is accurate?
You get a zealot teaching a religion class and you are well and truly @#%$.

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I'd have gone mad if I had tried to forcefully hate every single christian I know, or to deny it's presence.
Am I being too liberal?
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No, you're not being too liberal. I don't hate christians, I hate the ideology. I see christians as oppressed people though because they have been given no chance to exercise their freewill in choosing their beliefs because they were programmed from such an early age. I pity them actually.

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"christianity is a great way of identifying the flock."
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It is, yes, but it's best done as independent study in my opinion.

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Nothing, it would just decrease my chances for getting into the lukio I had first on my list,
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You see, that's wrong to make that religion grade even count for anything. If that religion grade was the only thing that stood between going to a good lukio or not..........it's unfair I think for it to be able to affect someone's future like that.

Hopefully you will take that lukio thing a bit more seriously the closer to the time it gets because you're going nowhere without a good education these days. It's true.

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"ou are going to be taught the history of a religion you do not like. Which is a better option for attitude?"
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Well my option would be to give it a go and see what it's about but if I get into it and find that it does not interest me then I'd find a better way to spend my time.

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Oh I do agree, especially on that book because it can be interpreted in so many ways and I would guess they teach it as literature there? To me it is history/culture/religion. But to dismiss it as mythology really annoys me because it's not. Why should Kalevala be dismissed as a fairy tale when the bible is not? Kalevala is an account of the Finnish pantheon just as the bible is an account of the christian pantheon. and so on.....If the schools taught Kalevala from an esoteric point of view then maybe more people would take more of an interest in it.

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" (which was when I still belonged to the church)"
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OK now, tell me, did you belong to the church because you WANTED to or because you were TOLD to? What did it feel like being a member of the church? I ask because I've never experienced it. By being a member of the church did that mean that you actually went to church?

I think you got lucky Hurretursas with the religion teacher you had. I could hang with it if I had a teacher that recognised Paganism. I think that if religion is to be taught then they must teach Paganism too and acknowledge it as what christianity is rooted on. Now I bet the average religion teacher would rather be hung by the nipples than say that out loud in a classroom.

When you did your presentation, which religion did you choose to do it on?

Satanism is a religion? I thought it was just a branch of christianity........

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Yeah, I see them in all the shops too. Do you get one of those when you have confirmation? I think that it's supposed to be trendy to wear those crucifixes - like for a fashion statement. Some MTV-induced trend - the whigger rappers all wear them. I guess to match their gold teeth. :rolleyes:

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Nothing's better than Thor's hammer.
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That's also a really good vodka ;)

[Laine]

How did I feel belonging to the church? I was max. 3 years old when we left! :D

You know, I thought that they were mad about christianity there, it's America with God and all... but now I remember the "smuggling bibles to schools" thing from The Truth for Youth...

And I too see christians like sheep (even the bible agrees with this!) who don't know any alternatives, or have got peer pressures etc.
I'd guess that "Martin Luther lived in the 16th century" isn't really disinformation. It's "good" to know simple historical "facts" like that.

Speaking of are they teaching the right things about the history of christianity... from the picture I've got from the classes, christianity was spread to Europe by harmless flower-children of Jesus. And it "just happened to" exterminate every original religion. Our teacher said something like "Finland had a damn cool religion before christianity arrived", so I do not disrespect her. :p

Helping you regain a bit of hope in us finns, we watched a video about the Mormons today in class and about everyone laughed out aloud, even the wicked cross-bearing ones! It really was viiitun funny.


"Hopefully you will take that lukio thing a bit more seriously ..."

Control yer motherly instincts, I'm doing fine. :D
And I had the last christian religion class of my life today, so there won't be anything that could increase the grade except that little essay which will be reviewed sometime soon.
By "not caring about which one I will end up in" - they all are about the same distance away from me, and if I can't get to the one which has most of the people I've got to know in 8th and 9th grades, nothing wrong with meeting new ones. (Maybe I'm putting too much emphasis on people, but it seems that I can't even be a good misanthrope.)

The golden crucifix is the crown of a trendy teen-queen/king. But then again, there are people with crosses I actually even like (as if they had chosen their religion, or even believed in any of it's teachings). I am filthy!

[allissson]

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I see........so at best you were a cute little nuisance during the service. :lol:

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"but now I remember the "smuggling bibles to schools" thing "
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It well says in the code of conduct of the public school system that it's prohibited to distribute religious literature on school grounds and to do so will result in expulsion from the school.

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Is THAT the truth or WHAT?! And they should have left well enough alone I think. There's a saying that goes "if it's not broke don't fix it". ;)

[Huurretursas]

Hmmm Belonging to church actually didn't matter much to me then, since it really doesn't mean anything here. At least not when you don't have any income, because there is a tax for people belonging to church (which is why I wonder why people who don't believe in anything the church teaches stay with it). I belonged to church because I were babtized at the age of 3 months and actually I don't remember anyone asking my opinion :( .

I did go to the church a few times when I belonged to it and I still do, because if a relative or friend dies, gets married or something like that I think it's in order to honor them by attending their services. But i don't remember ever going to church for a normal sunday morning sermon and that is because in Finland it's not that common to visit church on other than special occasions. And of course I voluntarily went to listen to 3 Bach organ concerts at a church in my former home town.

The reason why I left the church at the age of 15 was that I didn't think obviously that as an aspiring pagan I couldn't identify with the church anyomore. My parents didn't object to this at all, since they are so called nominal christians, meaning that they stay in the church because thats how things have always been (yes, I have pointed out that it hasn't always been so here) and don't think about it at all.

I am aware that our teacher was somewhat special but it was just an example that teaching religion doesn't have to be a bad thing. As far as I've understood in lukio the religion classes are even more based on sociological and cultural analyzing of religions than on the lower grades but I don't have any first hand knowledge since I took the substitute for religion classes, "life philosophy" which is a very interesting subject since it's like philosophy but emphasized more on the philosophy itself, not on people who invited it.

And yes. My presentation was on shamanism (at least I think so. It was 7 years and quite a many bottles ago :) ).

[allissson]

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Awesome! :) They should do that here. What an innovative way to keep christianity down in a country! :) That's clever! :)
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None of us were asked Hurretursas. but my way of thinking is that if I didn't sanction it for myself then it is invalid. ESPECIALLY when it comes to these things.

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Well of course, these are the only times I ever go into a church too, unless like Uspenski Cathederal to see the incredibly beautiful architecture and artwork.

When i have to go for a wedding or funeral I always sprinkle salt on the floor around me.
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Well, that's for gig, that's different.

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"I didn't think obviously that as an aspiring pagan I couldn't identify with the church anyomore."
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:lol: no, surely not. It would have only served to stifle you.

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"......teaching religion doesn't have to be a bad thing."
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It's not when it's taught and studied objectively.

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:D What an excellent choice! :) I wish I could have seen that presentation. :) Is that the path you follow?

[Laine]

I think I had the same kind of teacher as Huurretursas during the 7th grade.

And my mother left the church exactly because of those taxes. :D

I've never been in a funeral, and once in a wedding. I remember asking a priest visiting my grandmother's house to play with me when I was incredibly young (1 to 3 years), and don't have a memory of him playing with me. :(

[allissson]

I LOVE that idea of a tax for belonging to a church. The money goes to the government, not the churches, right? This money should be used to pay restitution to Pagans for the trauma incurred when christianity was forced onto their ancestors and the ones executed in the witch trials.
But i expect they will use it to get Finland "NATO-ready" :( That's something I think should not happen.......

[Laine]

I think the $$$ goes to the church. That suggestion of yours reminds me of the jews whining about the holocaust, but as it was a more recent persecution, nobody remembers the witch trial kind of things. Bit like if an atom bomb was dropped to London, who'd care about it's burning ~300 years ago?

[Huurretursas]

The tax thing's only downside is that the money goes to the church and they don't even use it on something useful (such as helping poor). The majority of it goes to converting new people to their religion in third world countries. Still it's certainly better than having tax-deductions for religious activity, because it sometimes makes people think a second time about their beliefs.

"None of us were asked Hurretursas. but my way of thinking is that if I didn't sanction it for myself then it is invalid. ESPECIALLY when it comes to these things."

I too object to babtizing innocent children. I even refuse to attend to babtism sermons of my relatives, since I don't want to support this kind of traditions. They should allow children to choose their religion for themeselves when they are old enough for religious freedom's sake alone especially since you need permission from parents to leave the church if you're under 15. But then again in Finland people used to fear that mountainmen (aka Trolls) would swap their children to ugly hairy troll babies if they weren't babtized so I guess this thing is kinda deep rooted :) .

"Is that the path you follow?"

Mainly yes, although I am somewhat eclectic.

[allissson]

So it's basically a pay-to-pray set up in Finland where religion is concerned. Who in their right mind would pay taxes for such bullshit? What, so they can bankroll that Riku Rinne idiot to go and preach his crap wherever he wants.
Third world countries are easy to recruit i bet because those people will go with anything that promises them something better. That's wrong to take advantage of those people like that.
They have tax deductions for religious activities here. So you know what i do, i keep all my receipts for candles, stones, herbs, anything I buy to do with practising my religion and at the end of the year i take the deduction for it. Nothing in the law says it's strictly for christians.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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:) How long have you been this way? Are you actively practising?

[Huurretursas]

"They have tax deductions for religious activities here. So you know what i do..."

Yes I know and were quite shocked when I found out. I didn't however think that any good would come of it :) Here in Finland they would just limit it strictly to organized/registered religions anyway.

I do practise somewhat actively. I've been sort of interested in it since I was 15 (I'm just turned 21 now) and more into it for 4 years. Unfortunately I have to do it mostly alone because there's not a single other interested person around here where I live (or at least I don't know of them).

[Laine]

Isn't it a good thing that people are baptized christian so young they'll never even remember the event? :p

[Pakana]

C'mon fellow christians, what's the whole deal here? Even Jesus baptised himself when he felt he truly understood the concept of his religion, and he did not recommend anyone to baptise infants.

[Hittavainen]

> and he did not recommend anyone to baptise infants.

You could make a fat book with the (christian) things that Jesus DIDN'T recommend. :lol:

[Hittavainen]

> ...and I would guess they teach it as literature there?
> Kalevala is an account of the Finnish pantheon...

Actually it's literature, a book written (collected and modified) by Elias Lönnrot. And many mythology-researchers and philosophers etc. think very differently than Lönnrot about the subject. Kalevala is a national epic, a book of poems, the mythological side of it was secondary for Lönnrot.

[allissson]

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You could make a fat book with the (christian) things that Jesus DIDN'T recommend.
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Is that the truth or WHAT!? I wish someone WOULD write that book.

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Elias Lönnrot. And many mythology-researchers and philosophers etc. think very differently than Lönnrot about the subject. Kalevala is a national epic, a book of poems, the mythological side of it was secondary for Lönnrot.
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ok - that answered the question I was going to ask if Lönnrot was concerned about the mythological end of it. so he could have put a lot more effort into that if he wanted to then?

[Johannes Kostaja]

Etymology is fun. :)

On baptism though... Do I hate my goody good twin John the Baptist or what? The Bastard even has his own holiday. What does it take to get your own celebration? Get beheaded? :(



John the Vindictor.
The EVIL :evil: twin.

[Laine]

Dear GOD! Our "baptism" seems to have some connection with Baphomet! :eek:

The Knights Templar must be behind this!

[Thokk]

Siberian Husky

[Laine]

Indeed!

[thekjide]

That's a nice name you have, Thokk. :D
So was that the terrible thing the moonsorrow police had to do? Well, that was a good idea. :p

And that was nice tvo stick back to the subject.

"To hell with it"

[Pakana]

So you noticed what I did with our friend Thokk. I hope he won't get upset, after all, that's a unique title. :D

And yes, sticking to the subject was a healthy thing to do. These threads are quite a-flying.

[Laine]

I don't have any pets, so I can't stick to the subject. Actually I had forgotten completely about the subject, and thought the "Siberian Husky" comment to be somekind of a weird joke. :D

[allissson]

well, when you think of an Arctic breed of dog living in a tropical climate, it does seem out of sorts. :)

[vitr]

You could shave it and keep water handy for it. ;)

My own religious education was one hour a week, and we talked about social issues more than learning all (organised) religions. We had talks about abortion and divorce without religion coming into it. We talked about nuclear weapons, third world poverty and pollution and parents' responsibilities and childrens' rights and so on. There were no exams in it.

Converting the poor buggers in third world countries makes me sick. I also have been to churches only when a friend is married or a relative buried, as it's a tiny sacrifice for that mark of respect to someone you love. Besides, it can do nothing to a human spirit. It's a pile of bricks and coloured glass.

I remember a school outing to a church to look at it's history/architecture (no preaching involved) and I stayed outside and wouldn't go in. I was in Class 8 so I would have been 8-9. I made an excuse to the teacher that I wanted to do rubbings of the gravestones but that seemed so disrespectful so I didn't. The idea of walking on or disrespecting a grave makes me feel physically sick.

[Thokk]

Well, Husky's coats' keep out cold and heat alike, so they really don't get that hot, but make sure they drink enough, a no-brainer!

-dan

[allissson]

Poor child, I hope you keep him in air conditioning most of the time. What's his name?

[Thokk]

Of course, albeit I think i need the air more then him :D I HATE THE DAMN HEAT, I need to move to Iceland or something... .hehe

[mmtutti]

boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=70667 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=70667)

[vitr]

extract from the book of things that freak Jesus out :

1. Have a relationship which you believe will happen forever, yet in time you grow apart and decide to seperate. You can only have one person in a lifetime so you have to be alone forever and not allowed to love again. I say fu-ck that. I indend to ensnare a poor unsuspecting male again someday, and hopefully with better judgement. One person in a lifetime is an ideal I would have liked to have stuck to, but life isn't perfect and neither are people. If someone spends the rest of their life with their first love, then they are *very* lucky.

So, either...

1. I'm fuc.ked
2. Jesus is fuc.ked

Answers on a postcard please... :rolleyes:

[allissson]

that doesn't freak JESUS out, it freaks the @#%$ who wrote the book out because he is writing what he thinks Jesus SHOULD be freaked out by. Jesus is nothing to do with any of it. Poor Jesus - must be the only soul who can reincarnate many times only to have to deal with the same @#%$ - only to a worse degree - in each lifetime. that must suck.

[Laine]

W w w dot Jesus dot com. And I want one of those shirts.

[allissson]

I have a master plan for bringing new kittens into the house... :evil: ................ :lol:

[Laine]

Kittens? Aaaaawww!