If you like mythology check this out........

[allissson]

You might think this is a bit childish, but it's a really neat website.

www.europeoftales.net/site/en/index.html (http://www.europeoftales.net/site/en/index.html)

[Karldin]

I like that site. It's funny.

[Thokk]

hah, they made another mythology... err i mean christianity site? :lol:

[allissson]

It's for kids. But I did laugh my ass off at the way they told the story of Thor's Hammer. :lol: I am sure in reality Thor was not as flamboyant in drag :lol:

[Karldin]

You should read the Valhalla comic series by Peter Madsen. It's really hilarious the way he tells the stories of norse mythology.

[allissson]

I also want to see Don Rosa's Kalevala comics. That's supposed to be scream !!! :lol:

[Karldin]

I don't think Don Rosa made a Kalevala comic. But in one story Donald and his family encounter a pygme people who can talk to animals. These pygmes talk ina rhyme based on the hiawatha poem by Longfellow, who based his rhyme sequence on the Kalevala.
Good story, tho.

[allissson]

Yeah, he did. About 2-3 years ago but it's not published in english :( It's those Disney ducks in a story called "The Secret of Sampo" but what I want to see mainly is what happens when Iku-Turso comes ashore in modern day Helsinki. :lol: Should be funny indeed. :lol: I hope he makes a barbeque at Suomenlinna with those ducks - they're so irritating. :evil:

[VauhtiParoni]

It´s funny!

[allissson]

you have it VP? Tell me what happens in the story. :)

[Karldin]

Well, I was wrong, my bad. Would be a good story to read. Please share, VP.

[allissson]

VP - do you collect comic books or something? There's some pics in the gallery of you with your comics. Do you have those Kiss comic books that they had put out?

[Laine]

It's more a history related site, but www.medsca.org (http://www.medsca.org) should have all kinds of nifty viking lore.

[Laine]

Those Väinämöinen strips by Petri Hiltunen are vitun hilarious. Available as 2 albums, too.

[allissson]

While on the subject of mythology - this website was put together by someone with a lot of time on their hands.......

www.4link.com/~ingram/finnish.htm (http://www.4link.com/~ingram/finnish.htm)

[mmtutti]

now that's cattitude.

[Laine]

"Konstit on monet", sano mummo kun kissalla pöytää pyyhki.

[vitr]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Here's another cat name site... it even has Petra on it. Petra is our male cat. Petra is a girls' name. Don't ask.... :lol:

www.microserve.net/~dave/catnames.html (http://www.microserve.net/~dave/catnames.html)

[allissson]

"Konstit on monet", sano mummo kun kissalla pöytää pyyhki.

Laine - :lol: I don't think she means that literally. But the philosophy is very true :)

[allissson]

"Konstit on monet", sano mummo kun kissalla pöytää pyyhki.

Laine - :lol: I don't think she means that literally. But the philosophy is very true :)

[Laine]

I wouldn't be that certain about it. Mummos among other finns can get pretty weird sometimes.

"Mithras, Lord of Ages, follow you, we march / Invincible Sun, the Flame of Life, you dwell within our hearts"
Ye gods this song has power.

[allissson]

:evil: ...........and it's not the mummos one has to worry about ;)

Finns seem pretty normal to me on the whole though. I only had one town drunk approach me when I was there and I couldn't stop laughing at him. He asks me (standing right outside Alko) if I had any liquor. What a simpleton! :lol: :rolleyes:

[Laine]

Then again, there are people who drink kilju until they vomit blood, and people who every friday visit the graveyard to piss on Gustav Järnefelt's grave. But those are drunken activities, and don't affect the whole. Losing your face seems to be the biggest worry of the low/mid-level whiggers. If a whigger has attained a high enough level, he may even gain respect from deeds illogical.

Does "hobo" mean a town drunk / pultsari / "man of the street"? I wanna know! :p

[Laine]

You Finnish(-speaking) pagans probably know this site already:
home.talkcity.com/Library...index.html (http://home.talkcity.com/LibraryDr/jumala/index.html)

Alot of stuff there.

[allissson]

a hobo is usually a town drunk who lives on the streets, yes. :) Why? Did you see one? :lol:

[allissson]

damn! half of those links are down. :( I have seen those pages before though and that's the stuff that they DON'T teach you in your religion classes, but should.

[Laine]

In one Dilbert strip, Dogbert says he usually tells people who ask about him, that Dilbert is a hobo. I think that started my curiosity...

In Lappeenranta there must be an official hobo-scene... :cool:

[allissson]

"In Lappeenranta there must be an official hobo-scene... "

......that kind of town, huh? :lol:
Still, they ARE a better alternative to the whiggers any day.

..........who's Dilbert?

[Laine]

Shame on you! Here is Dilbert: www.dilbert.com (http://www.dilbert.com)

In Lappeenranta there was a small wood where the hoboes held their (beer-centered, or at least it would seem so to an outsider) gatherings next to our school. They had even dragged a vitun sofa there.

[allissson]

OH! that idiotic character! I've seen it around but never really knew what it was. I don't pay close attention to that sort of stuff.

"In Lappeenranta there was a small wood where the hoboes held their (beer-centered, or at least it would seem so to an outsider) gatherings next to our school. They had even dragged a vitun sofa there."

:lol: :lol: :lol: Haven't they heard of working? Bunch of lazy fuc.kers........This is not the school you are in now is it?

[Laine]

Dogbert and Catbert vittu rule! :lol:
They've got some D books in the library here, fun reading.

No, I don't think they've heard of that. We used to torment them (ransack the sofa-place, shout annoying stuff, throw pebbles aimed randomly high at that direction so they occasionally would hit someone etc.) in grades 3-6. Dreadful we were indeed, but it was fun.
We moved into Hämeenlinna 1½ years ago, so I've gone the 8th and soon the 9th in here, but now there's good chances that we're moving back to the good old hobopolis. :)

[Laine]

Couple more wonderful links:

www.sacred-texts.com/atl/index.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/index.htm) (Atlantis stuff)
www.v-j-enterprises.com/holearth.html (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/holearth.html) (Hollow Earth stuff. Combined with some eerie music, this is disturbing. Very.)

(as this seems to be the official link posting thread :p )

[allissson]

Aww Laine, look on the bright side - it could be worse, you could be moving to Turku. :lol: ANY place that produces something as nasty as Hesburger has got to have some major malfunction with it. :lol:

[Laine]

Eh, you got it all wrong! Me is not sad about it. :)
Turku has bit of a terrible reputation.

It's kind of 50-50 (or "to Hel with it!") which place I'd prefer to live in, LPR or HML. But since all of my better friends are in the first, and I lived there for a long time, of course that is where I would rather be.

Increase the emphasis on the word "disturbance" of the Hollow-E site I mentioned. It might be only because of my great manhood that my sanity is still partially left. Evil site.

[allissson]

hmm......I went to see the hollow earth website. WHAT a story!! :rolleyes: If I had to hazard a guess I would say it's 80% bullshit. I don't know what Admiral Byrd's drug of choice was but it had to have been chemical in nature. Now all we need is a truckload of hyped-up rednecks full of beer to find out about this - they'll want to go up there and gatecrash this place. (they'll be SO disappointed to find that there's no trailer parks there) The theory of an advanced race I believe but this exaggerated account of it - I don't think so.

[Laine]

I was rather more shocked about the "real" "evidence" about E's hollowness and the weird things about the poles. If you only read the Byrd story, check out the rest.

Maybe it's just a silly theory, but those Earth illustrations we have in geography books will probably have my brain shout "wrong! WRONG!" forever more. :p

Again for the finnish-speaking, something concerning the Nazi base in Antarctica:
www.taivaansusi.net/histo...rktis.html (http://www.taivaansusi.net/historia/antarktis.html)

[allissson]

ok - now I've been to the Atlantis site - and quite a big website that is - the biggest collection of links to world religion that I've ever seen. I made great haste too bookmark that one :) Where did you find this?

Atlantis is a different thing all together to that hollow earth story. Atlantis was a very real civilisation. Actually when you look at the big picture, the Ancient Egyptians, Mayans, Atlanteans, Aztecs, Greeks, Babylonians - they were all far more advanced than we even are today or than we can possibly comprehend. Well, it IS comprehendable and easily explained but that's another story on its own. Anyway, mankind has done nothing but fuc.k itself and its environment up for the past 2000+ years. And has learned fuc.k all from it too. What really pisses me off is that these great civilisations are for the most part presented as mythology when taught in schools here. And we all know why that is, don't we? ;)

[Laine]

I found the religious texts site when searching for stuff about Atlantis - of which I became interested when I heard songs from the Ataraxia album Lost Atlantis. (check out www.ataraxia.net (http://www.ataraxia.net) , a v i t u n great band from Italy)

"And we all know why that is, don't we?"

Yeesss, it's a Conspiracy! :D
(Or) they just don't want us to know that there might have been something MORE civilized than our Magnificent civilization.

There's a difference between when you know that school teaches it all wrong, and when you really realize it.

[allissson]

"I was rather more shocked about the "real" "evidence" about E's hollowness and the weird things about the poles."

I did read the whole site and find the theory about this portal under the earth interesting. It is very believable from a scientific point of view. the earth's geology would certainly lend itself to something like this. But I do not think that there's all this crap down there like Byrd's account of it - or hobbits or people with German accents. I think there's possibly animal and plant species we have not yet discovered. I surely wouldn't mind having a look at the plant life there. I bet there's endless healing possibilities under there. There should be an expedition to go and see but I do not think that USA and Russia should be allowed to participate in it because neither country has respect for the Nature and would exploit this delicate ecosystem.

"Maybe it's just a silly theory, but those Earth illustrations we have in geography books will probably have my brain shout "wrong! WRONG!" forever more. "

No, not silly. It's an opportunity to raise this question and perhaps teach the teacher something.

"There's a difference between when you know that school teaches it all wrong, and when you really realize it. "

Isn't THAT the truth!!

[Laine]

Odd, where did my reply disappear...

It's the same thing when you read about black holes (or something of the same scale) and stop to think for a moment - that the stuff really is out there, not just in the book. The earth's surface might curve inside at the poles. Who knows?

If there's civilization down there, I hope it's of an advanced kind so a British Emigrants Meet The Indians scenario wouldn't repeat...

[allissson]

The only obstacle is the thick layer of ice covering the portal. :/

"If there's civilization down there, I hope it's of an advanced kind so a British Emigrants Meet The Indians scenario wouldn't repeat..."

You said a mouthful there my friend!! I spent 9 years living in London so I know only too well what you are saying ;)
And since all the corner shops are taken there, they have now come over to HERE.

[Laine]

Haven't the Russian nuclear subs already gone under the ice?
And it's strange that a lot of stuff is prohibited there in the treaty signed by many nations. Yeah, I believe that the USA (among the others) cares about the penguins enough not to start oil drillings and similar stuff in Antarctica. "We may bomb civilians, infiltrate governments, fu.ck up entire nations but we are not going to harm our sweet, innocent Antarctica in our quest for black gold and world domination!"

[vitr]

Allissson! 400th post! :D

[allissson]

oh yeah, so it is.....damn people here are gonna think I'm a chatterbox :lol: :p

oh Laine, you don't want to depend on the Russians to get something right the first time. Look at the amount of blunders they made in that Winter War. :lol: Those people are NOT the sharpest pencils in the box. They'd probably blow a hole through to the core trying to get through the top layer of ice.

[vitr]

They did have some good ideas though. Like getting rid of churches, for one. Can't think of another, but that's a damn good one.

I say the whole damn lot should leave it alone. It's been there for squillions of years before us, who are we to go and fukk it up?

[Laine]

"...They'd probably blow a hole through to the core trying to get through the top layer of ice."

Oh, don't cling to the irrelevant details! :lol:

403 posts. If you had no ancient and wicked powers, I'd catch you.

[allissson]

Catch up you mean? - actually you will have just the opportunity to do that as I leave for New Orleans tomorrow morning and will not be back until next wednesday. I may check in from my parents' house but can't can't say for sure - depends on the party load. ;)

I don't have wicked powers :p

[Laine]

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[Laine]

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[Laine]

Indeed.

But then there won't be anyone replying to my msgs at 5 AM! Woe!

I'm sure you don't.

(Crom laughs at this stupid ezboard from his mountain! Argh!)

[Pakana]

Laine, it's 5 AM and I am replying to your message. :p

[Laine]

Hmm... "But then there won't be anyone buying anything from me! (www.huuto.net/fi/showlist...=X&order=N (http://www.huuto.net/fi/showlist.php3?seller=necrogoat&status=N&start=0&num=50&cat=%&lcat=X&order=N) ) Woe!"

This COULD work... :evil:

[Pakana]

No, that does not work. I'm sorry. ;)

[Laine]

Höh. :p

[Laine]

Just some thoughts that hit my mind I had to speak out...

Most (probably 99,99%) of "us" pagans love and respect nature and loathe the way christianity came to interrupt and ruin the old religion (-process) which had developed around the millenia, a very good and one with which we probably never would have brought nature to a state as it is nowadays.
Have "we" thought about how it was completely natural for a stronger (albeit far, far worse than the one it overran) belief system to come on top in the struggle? Natural as in the "fast eat the slow", not as in "tender and sweet love with lots of summer-flowers". Nature isn't good, or evil, it just is. When a more powerful species enters some area, another might have to step aside and become extinct.
Of course, we, at least I, can't quite see (or react to) it from a more universal perspective because religion (or whatever you call it) is a very personal and important thing.

(I wouldn't be on this forum if I thought "xianity = :) , pagan = :( " or the forcing of either upon people is good and just, but read the first sentence...)

[Laine]

And with "stronger belief system", I meant 'stronger' as in more capable of enslaving and dominating others.

[vitr]

I gathered that you meant more domineering... :(

But I think.... We used to rule other countries and enslave people. Ten years ago veganism was hardly heard of in Britain, it was a "freak" thing that weirdos did. Now there are 350 000 vegans in the UK and a lot of the main producers of food will label "suitable for vegans" without me needing to write to them to find out.

Humans move slowly away from barbarism. And towards individulaity. We think more. A hundred years ago in the UK everyone would snivel in church on a Sunday and worry that ppl would think they were bad if they didn't go to church.

I think that, in time, people who believe/want to believe in afterlife, punishment/karma, being watched/controlled by supreme being etc. will move away from "what Jesus/mohamed said is the only truth and the only way to god is through them" and more towards celebrating xmas and easter because it is cultural, and believing there is truth in all religions, but this is the one we are because of the place we were born.

I know plenty of ppl who would call themselves xtain but don't believe in hell, it was a way to keep the peasants in check in the dark ages or something. And who just think Jesus was a kind visionary who faith healed ppl.

There are plenty of xtains who see through the bull, and there are getting more and more of them. We will continue to think for ourselves more as time passes. Hopefully that means we won't all end up drug addicts that are wiped out by AIDS. :lol:

[Laine]

Only the pope (or similar leader) and his buddies would argue against "individuality is good and people will feel more comfortable with their own country's traditions".

I just don't get that why does one need to be a christian if he can see through the lies. Churches are pretty buildings and priests have an air of "divine" authority about them, but that kind of things exist only to make you feel small.

[Laine]

In the name of the gods, tell me this is a parody site. (It's not too original if it is, but... it's EXTENSIVE.)

www.mantta.fi/~patato/cef.html (http://www.mantta.fi/~patato/cef.html)

Mostly in finnish again. Has a healthy amount of hysterical xian ramblings (those do not deserve to be called "conspiracy theories" - "God said that eating the first turnip of the third row of your field is wrong - it must be a conspiracy to invoke New World Order when these people do so!").
Even Harry Potter and Atlantis get their share!

Have ye folks heard the finnish/swedish folk group Hedningarna? This is damn good music! "Yksi, kaksi... yksi, kaksi... kaivonkansi!"

[Pakana]

Oh, please... I can't take this anymore! :rollin:

"Spiritual training for the values of paganism which make your children a decent world-citizen and a fine welcomer for the Antichrist."

Yeah. Sure.

But Hedningarna kicks some serious ass. That I know!

[Hittavainen]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
This stuff rocks!!
(In English at www.cuttingedge.org/) (http://www.cuttingedge.org/))
It's only good thing if there is some pagan symbolism in the olympic art.
I read an article about the China thing, "Todellinen syy miksi Intian ja Pakistanin kuohunta ja ydinsodalla yhkailu on tärkeää", about 'the Harmageddon'. That's ridiculous; the only reason why China would do all that work to attack Jerusalem is that the Bible says so :p

And Hedningarna kicks ass!!!

[mmtutti]

if you take an interest in Atlantis, I suggest you read The Secret of Atlantis by Otto Muck. made a believer out of me.

do not put Turku down. it seems a trendy thing to do among Finns ( = natives of Helsinki), but most of the people who do so have probably never even been there. well, I have, and I've been to Helsinki, and I must confess that I like Turku better. it's a lot prettier, not as crowded, and the people are way nicer. plus the place has got a HISTORY. I'm going to move there some day. if I then catch you making fun of Turku, that will be the end of you.

[vitr]

That cutting edge crap is seriously disturbing.

Sounds like that crap they came out with after sept. 11th, that everyhting bad that happens is a punishment for having gay people among us, picking your nose and wiping it on the bus seat, sleeping with more than one person in a lifetime and all sorts of really evil stuff that fukked up sinners do. :lol:

[Hittavainen]

But at least it's fun to read, and somehow interesting too. ;)
Spooky stuff rules!

[Laine]

A little more sensible view on the New World Order:
www.taivaansusi.net/histo...ipuhe.html (http://www.taivaansusi.net/historia/esipuhe.html) (in finnish)

Not having all the christian crap of CE to laugh at, that is quite a frightening one. (read the Rothschild stuff too)

[allissson]

That Cutting Edge is a load of bollocks. I knew about 1 minute into reading that I'd had enough already. It's a damned shame that such ignorance exists in this world.

What is with all this "New World Order" crap?

[Laine]

Evil conspiracy. The Cutting Edge doesn't quite give you the picture. Not that it's absolutely necessary to have one, but these things are "fun". :p
Maybe www.disinfo.com has something on that...

[Laine]

Jumalauta! This kind of sites just do not exist:

www.thetruthforyouth.com/truth_main.htm (http://www.thetruthforyouth.com/truth_main.htm)

Doesn't beat sinfest.net (http://sinfest.net) :p

[Pakana]

Is this who I am?
Is this my identity?

:lol: :rollin: :lol:

[allissson]

Certainly not Ville! I should think you are above that sort of thing. :lol: That truth for youth site looks like those propaganda leaflets that those zealots pass out at shopping centres and festivals. What a load of rubbish!! If you run out of toilet roll............ :lol:

[vitr]

I only read the titles on the side bar... but I can guess what kind of ignorant crap they come out with. :x

Surely there are sites about buddhism and paganism and so on, that people can access as well as this crap?

[Laine]

What are you saying? That's a lot better than 99% of the internet's humor sites!

I just can't describe the feeling of dread, ridicule and awe I feel when reading those. It's unique. And sad.

The black-and-whiteness of that is also beyond my comprehension. Don't forget to look at the picture of the guy in the "Personal from Publisher" page.

[aboriginaali]

yep, that page rules!

[allissson]

Laine, tighten up little brother, you can't let this stuff get to you - that's what it's designed to do. :)

[Laine]

Yes, we will certainly have one heathen less when I've laughed myself to death at that comic.
Worry not, I don't think I am able to take any [christian] propaganda seriously. It's just freaky to realize that people who make that kind of stuff actually exist. I'm not in touch with reality, so these things come as surprises. :D

[allissson]

oh yeah, and they believe it too. It's beyond my comprehension. they are sick individuals. Wanna hear something REALLY scary? You probably have heard it on the news there already. they busted 80 (eighty) - that's kahdeksankymmentä to you - catholic priests for molesting children. That's SO FAR in this one particular inquest. They are expecting to bust more before it's over with. This is in one week in one place - Boston.
NOW - ask me again why children should not be forced to participate in church activities or be raised in a church.

[Hittavainen]

Hey, the best kind of humour is that you know that some people take it seriously and really believe on it :D
It's the stupidity that really makes you laugh.
(But that priest-thing isn't very funny, though.)

[vitr]

Allissson, I would guess these bastards have been supressed for so long and feel so powerless that they need to kick out and supress someone else. Hardly surprising, though I guess they don't really believe in Hell, like they are "supposed" to.

Laine, me too. I never realised that xtianity was like "you must loved Jesus or you go to hell". I heard that on the internet and thought that those idiots were rare. But I moved in with some xtains and that seriously freaked me out. Ironically, they were total power freaks, I'd get told off for leaving the butter out of the fridge and so on. (my butter, not theirs) It really was disturbing to hear some of the thigns they came out with.

I asked them if they believed that good muslims etc. go to hell. One said, we don't believe, we know. We can say that because we *know*. It says it in the bible. :rolleyes: A 2000-year old pack of edited lies and exaggerations. And they lived their life by every word and went to workshops to analyse what it meant and so on. Like, get a brain cell? Think about what you think is the right thing, don't look to have your hand held constantly... duh..

Seems so sad that people need that crap in their lives. What are they scared of? Thinking for themselves? Yeah, it's not always fun and you can screw yourself up in knots sometimes. But I would be dead inside if I didn't.

[Laine]

I'm kinda sad that Riku Rinne (www.rikurinne.com (http://www.rikurinne.com) ) or Päwe (gamma.nic.fi/~shn/tekstit/paivi.htm (http://gamma.nic.fi/~shn/tekstit/paivi.htm) ) didn't come lecturing to our school, as it is almost over now. That would've been some Experience. :(

I wrote an "essay" (yesyes I know all the school terms) about christianity's coming to Finland, found at www.eccentrix.com/music/k...nusko2.txt (http://www.eccentrix.com/music/kissa/Kristinusko2.txt) (remove the http: // or juggle with the url somehow if it doesn't work at first.. and the rows will be vitullaan, save to your computer and use "word wrap" on some text-editor). Feel free to point out the embarassing mistakes. And if you know some of the hundred zillion things I haven't mentioned...

[allissson]

You actually WANT to hear that idiot run his mouth about all that rubbish? :eek:

who is this Päwe person? And what is his game? Another trash talking zealot?

Your essay - it's in Finnish. I can only understand some words so I am not likely to correct your grammar. ;)

This link will work for sure to get the essay up on the screen:
www.eccentrix.com/music/k...nusko2.txt (http://www.eccentrix.com/music/kissa/Kristinusko2.txt)

[Laine]

It would be fuc.king hilarious! The downside is that I don't have a video camera...

Päwe is even funnier. She once was an evil satan worshipper, who saw the light of God and now spreads the Word and enlightens people about the evils of satanism (of course confused with satan worshipping) and black metal. Though she doesn't play guitar, I have laughed more at her than at Riku. But we've just had one gospel dude singing about Africa in our school. :|

[allissson]

"But we've just had one gospel dude singing about Africa in our school. "

ooh. I bet that was a truly compelling performance. :x
I wonder how many encores he got called back for.

[Laine]

It wasn't anything out of ordinary. A supposedly charismatic guy in front of ~two hundred kids with a guitar. Came out from the other ear.

I added a couple of lines about sin and honour to the end of the essay (now it's almost two pages! Hip hip, hurrah!). Has to suffice.

[allissson]

was this essay for your religion class?

"charismatic guy in front of ~two hundred kids with a guitar."

:lol: I KNOW that gig sucked!!

[Laine]

Yeah, religion class. :p

[allissson]

well don't hold back, give them what for with that essay. :evil:

[Laine]

I tried to stay as neutral and un-ironic as possible in that. :p

[allissson]

well you have better self-control that I would have with that project. :lol:

[Laine]

I really recommend everyone who can read finnish, to shut the lights and take a look at this site (fullscreen mode):
www.kaapeli.fi/eko.fi/gal...abeli.html (http://www.kaapeli.fi/eko.fi/gallery/faabeli/faabeli.html)

[allissson]

THAT is some WEIRD sh.it Laine. :eek:

[Laine]

Indeed. J.K. Potterish (www.jkpotter.com/ (http://www.jkpotter.com/) ) those images. The text is very good and thought-provoking.

[Huurretursas]

Speking of Mythology, did anybody else notice the "Tommy helfighter" shirt on that christian guy in the "School Violence" comic at The Truth For Youth site. Maybe they should start "smuggling" Eddas to schools to increase their mythological all around education. Especially since according to my experience as a former exchange student the only thing U.S.A. needs less than more christianity is more patriotism.

[allissson]

"according to my experience as a former exchange student the only thing U.S.A. needs less than more christianity is more patriotism. "

man, if THAT is not the vitun truth!! Between the two I could puke :x Where in USA did you end up as an exchange student?

[Laine]

I always wonder why the hel people even want to be exchange students (american ones) in the first place. There's definitely enough stupidity in Finland.

[aboriginaali]

I guess it´s that good ol´American dream that makes people go there..Land of dreams and hope: USA! :rolleyes:

[allissson]

:lol: :lol: :lol: where did you hear that aboriginaali? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I would love to take an exchange student here but they'd have to meet a certain criteria:

* not a christian or a Muslim (preferably Pagan)
* must be able to drink (bonus points if a hemp smoker)
* must like sports (husband's rule) :rolleyes:
* must be able to tidy up after themselves
* must like metal
* must have a very open mind.
* must wear trousers AT THE WAIST

[Huurretursas]

allissson:
I did my time in Washington.

Laine:
My reasons for becoming an exchange student were that I just wanted to see how living in a bit different culture was. Reason for going specifically to U.S.A. was that I (foolishly) thought that people there just couldn't be as stupid as it seems watching tv, reading news and so on so I decided to go there to ease my prejudices. Unfortunately it turned out I was pretty much right. Maybe it was some cosmic force balancing the fact that I didn't have to go to army for a year of suffering :D

[allissson]

so, what kind of family did you get stuck with? Was that Washington State or Washington DC?
What was it like for you?

[Hittavainen]

I would otherwise be almost perfect exchange student for you Allissson, but i think i'm not able to meet the requirement number 4. :lol:
http://www.onlinerock.com/musicians/lempo/gallery/studio1.jpg
(from Lempo picture gallery)

[Laine]

Ei saatana! :lol:

That's a very nice room!

[allissson]

Hittavainen! You should be ashamed! :lol:

I've seen worse - in my own house!!! The only difference is that you have drums all over the floor and my son has legos and pokemon cards everywhere. :lol: I'd just do you like I do him - get a black garbage bag and go through the room with it ;)

[Laine]

Allisson, the Evil Mom of the board.

[Hittavainen]

Noooooo!!! Not my mambo-jambo-drums and empty beer bottles! :eek:

[allissson]

Of course keep the drums for ritual use but the beer bottles and trash have to go. :lol:

Laine - wait until you have kids of your own one day! :evil:

[Laine]

Dont' worry, I'll be a good mother, despite being male. But that kind of blurred gender-borders are IN nowadays.

[allissson]

I don't know who we should feel more sorry for here Laine - you, your future kids or your parents . :lol:

[Laine]

Both.

[allissson]

I should just be grateful to the gods that they didn't give you to ME. I can't think that I'd have done anything bad enough in a past lifves to deserve THAT! :lol: :p

[Laine]

Hey, I'm a pleasant kid. I keep my room tidy and stay there. And I've got headphones. And avoid any meaningful conversation with parents.

[Laine]

VERY disturbing news:

scully.mtv3.fi/msc/page_h...88&cat=ULK (http://scully.mtv3.fi/msc/page_haku?pubid=100488&cat=ULK)

:lol: :lol: :rollin: :lol: :lol:

[allissson]

yes, I know you are, you're a little angel :) :)

[Laine]

Everything I said about myself in that message was true.

:)

[allissson]

I know :) I just like to tease you :lol: :evil:

[Laine]

See? She is evil!

[Hittavainen]

A pre-historical vomit!! Hell yeah!! :D

How is that thing disturbing you? :rolleyes:

[Laine]

The laughter disturbed my mental balance, or something.

A fuc-king vomit of a dinosaur! :lol:

That's going to inspire soooo many generations of artists.

[allissson]

:x :x :x that's sick. who could be remotely inteested in something like that?

[Huurretursas]

allissson:
Damn. I should have stayed with your family for the hemp :D (although i hate sports)

Oh yes. I forgot that there are two kinds of Washingtons. it was D.C. where I stayed most of the time but i also visited the plain ordinary Washington on our vacation. Excellent skiing slopes there.

Actually my foster parents were quite nice. Of course the fact that I got some choice to what kind of family I was sent to may have contributed to that. Quite intelligent / well educated, non religious (thank gods) upper middle class people. It was their parents I didn't get along with, since they were babtists and considered me as some kind of incarnation of satan because of my long hair and dressing code (and I even tried not to do or say anything provocative since my parents warned me about them) although they did like me playing Dimmu Borgir's Sorgens Kammer on our obscenily expensive lookin grand piano (a bit ironic i'd say :) ).

[aboriginaali]

I know something even worse! In UK(somewhere)there is an archeological site where the archeologists found real VIKING @#%$! even the internal parasites were fossilized! Beat that! :lol:


that was no joke, I´ve seen the picture of it.

[allissson]

:lol: This is getting a bit much now. Wow, just think - in 10,000 years they'll be digging up fossilised cat sh.it. woo hoo!! :lol:

I'm not gonna ask what this.........substance...looked like, I'll just take your word for it aboriginaali. :)

[Laine]

:rollin:

[aboriginaali]

Oh,How it looked like? it looked like very ordinary kakka.

Is there something more you wanna know about it? :lol:

[allissson]

nononono please, that's quite alright, thank you. :x

[vitr]

Oh, the puke story is real enough, it was in the BBC news site. There were little fossilised shellfish in the puke, apparently. I had to read about it, of course.... ;)

Well, I'm tidy, like some Metal, but hate sports and don't drink, so I wouldn't be an ideal houseguest.

Do they have to love cats too? :D

[allissson]

of DEFINITELY!!! Must be a cat lover!! and not afraid of reptiles either.

[Hittavainen]

Allison, why can't i keep my empty beerbottles for ritual use too, their smell make me feel at home. :)
I like dogs more, they are more social than cats (but stupid pack mentalities indeed. :p ). But cats are nice too.
What is a reptile?

[allissson]

you can keep one beer bottle for ritual use :)

A reptile.....matelija.....lizards, snakes, cold-blooded animals with scales. Believe it or not, they make great pets. Very clean animals. :)

[vitr]

Reptiles are cool!

We don't get many here. We get frogs and the odd toad in the pond, but apart from insects we don't get anything non-furry. :(

I did see a slow worm once and thought it was a snake - it's the only one I've seen in the wild. I followed it for ages, it was so sweet! About 30cm long with a tiny head and tiny eyes. :D

One of the nicest things about holding a snake is that I have to go and look for my Dad. He's disappeared and trying to stop trembling before someone sees him and thinks he's a wimp. :lol: : Poor bugger... he gets teased a bit. :evil:

Some dogs make me shudder though. Cats don't stink and they don't get in your face all the time and need constant attention. You can get on with things around the house without thinking about the cat getting in the way, pissing you off when you make dinner or eat something, you can put your handbag down without worrying will the cat get its disgusting wet nose in it, don't have to walk the cat. Don't have to pick up @#%$ unless you are digging in the garden and unearth one by accident. :x

The best thing about cats is they don't need you to live their lives. And they leave you alone to live yours, until one of you wants attention from the other.

[Huurretursas]

I've got two aquarium turtles in my flat. Their much better than dogs or cats, since they don't eat more than I can afford and don't need to be taken out (come to think of it I don't have any idea how they "process their food", since the aquarium water seems to stay clean for years). Although I'd take a cat anytime if I could afford it.

[allissson]

:) 2 turtles? What are their names? How big are they? If you have gravel down in the bottom of that aquarium then that's where all the processed food is going.

Yes, reptiles are pretty low-maintenance pets - and they can be fun too. With snakes, you have to handle them a lot and make a fuss over them and they become very friendly. I had one snake, Slinky, that would take the food from my hand because to give him his vitamins I had to take a live goldfish and put vitamin powder on it and have him eat it because Snakes won't sit there like a cat and let you give them a pill. He got to where he wanted me to feed him by hand all the time. Slinky was so tame that I could put him the the bathtub with my son (when he was 2 years old) and not worry at all.

[Laine]

A few links:

www.terrorpilot.com (http://www.terrorpilot.com) (the one where the following were found)
www.luccaco.com/terra/terra.htm (http://www.luccaco.com/terra/terra.htm)
www.artcoup.com/ (http://www.artcoup.com/)

[aboriginaali]

I´ve had lizards in my terrarium. maby the samekind that lives in your backyard. Does green anoles sound familiar to you allissson?

[allissson]

oh yes aboriginaali - I have hundreds of those as guardians of my garden. they do a damned good job too. I was watching one one day he snatched a snail right out its shell and swallowed it. Those lizards are sacred to me. :)

They also get in the house, and I don't mind at all, but the air conditioning causes them to go into hibernation and they die, so I take them back outside.

I am afraid to even ask how much you had to pay for your lizard because when I lived in England they were selling them for £14 in the pet shops there.

[aboriginaali]

not that much. they were 90fim each.

[Huurretursas]

My Turtles are called Michelangelo and Donatello (after my great childhood heroes :D ). As to their size their shell is slightly bigger than my palm.

I would love to have a snake too. I've been interested in buying one since I got to handle a 4 meter long snake in a tropic exhibition i Sweden about 6 years ago. Unfortunately my girlfriend doesn't, for some reason, like snakes at all.

[allissson]

"not that much. they were 90fim each. "

:eek: Daaaaamn!! :eek: I could make a vitun fortune exporting those!! that's about $14 each!! I have all different kinds too, some have stripes and tiny little crests. Those are the cutest ones.

"I would love to have a snake too. I've been interested in buying one since I got to handle a 4 meter long snake in a tropic exhibition i Sweden about 6 years ago. Unfortunately my girlfriend doesn't, for some reason, like snakes at all. "

:lol: neither does my husband but I got one anyway :) We get them for free here :)

[Laine]

www.heathenfront.org/~gp/ (http://www.heathenfront.org/~gp/)
www.plp.org/pamphlets/religion.html (http://www.plp.org/pamphlets/religion.html)

[allissson]

Laine, that second link you put there is excellent. I totally agree with whoever it is who wrote that.
yes, children CAN be raised without religion and should be.

[Laine]

Found it when searching for stuff about the birth of monotheism (to justify the "most annoying/detestable person" choice in my Moonsorrow Profile...)

Does amen (the word which prayers and that kind of things end with) come from the Egyptian deity Amen?

mars.wnec.edu/~grempel/co...naton.html (http://mars.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/wc1/lectures/03akhenaton.html)
www.sangraal.com/Akhenaten.htm (http://www.sangraal.com/Akhenaten.htm)

[mmtutti]

www.bju.edu/bible/g/250.html#281 (http://www.bju.edu/bible/g/250.html#281)
www2.prestel.co.uk/littleton/re5_amen.htm (http://www2.prestel.co.uk/littleton/re5_amen.htm)

[allissson]

I've got no idea what the origin of that word is. I always thought it meant like "the end" or something because it's always said at the end of a phrase. I dunno.

[Laine]

Thank ye, tutti.

[Hittavainen]

Well, if you like mythology (or history) check this out(in finnish): :lol:
www.kaltio.fi/arkisto/viikinki.htm (http://www.kaltio.fi/arkisto/viikinki.htm)

[vladtroll]

Hmm I must learn more finnish I think
I only know puuko

[Laine]

KIRVES is another good one.

[Hittavainen]

"PERKELE"!! That's how you recognize a finn.

[allissson]

:lol: Just wave around a bottle of vodka or a 6-pack of beer. You'll soon know who's Finnish ;)

[Sami112]

Allison: You mean me? ;)

..oh..btw Hello everybody :)

[allissson]

:lol: Well it's about TIME you put in an appearance here Sami! YES - I mean you :lol:

Look Hittavainen! it WORKS - just like magick. :lol:

Ok.......who else is is lurking around here besides Sami? I've got a bottle of Finlandia Lime..............ice cold from the freezer........

[Sami112]

Umm...Allison...I'd like to have some of that.. :)

Ice cold Ale in here :)

[Hittavainen]

What? Where? :p

[vitr]

Well I'm not a Finn and I don't drink (I get depressed and out of perspective) but I do have a fondness for the word Perkele. :evil:

Welcome Sami! :D (It's me Fireblade. ;) )

er... what was the question? :lol: :

[allissson]

I'll go get the crystal shot glasses, shall I? ;)

[Sami112]

Allison: Please do! :D

Vitr: Thank ye for thy welcoming :)

[Laine]

It's those evil Jews!

www.davidduke.com (http://www.davidduke.com)

[allissson]

:lol: Laine - where did you find that? I know very well who this guy is - he's a high-up in the Klan who has been trying for many years to become governor of Louisiana. He almost succeeded in the last election. Don't get the wrong idea, but he is exactly the type of governor that Louisiana needs right now. I'd love even better to see him as mayor of New orleans. Now THAT would prove interesting. ;)

[aboriginaali]

That guy should get burned with his church.
Yes, it would be interesting to see that guy running a state.

"When someone has doubts about the underlying validity of his beliefs, he feels threatened by challenges to them. The feeling of being right with God and the world gave me freedom to explore challenging ideas. It was only a few months after my baptism that I read Race and Reason,1 the book that began my intellectual journey toward racial understanding."

[allissson]

let's see.........how do I explain this tactfully........Louisiana is in bad need of a re-structuring of its social agenda. Someone like this guy would end the welfare free ride that is about to make the state go bankrupt and make these.......individuals.....go to work like normal people instead of sitting home collecting the social and having more kids that the tax payers will support. Not un-like your Somali predicament over there. The reason he didn't get elected is because there was a 95% voter turnout in the ghetto districts.

I agree he's warped.

[Laine]

Got the link from an evil racistfacist site, www.suomensisu.fi (http://www.suomensisu.fi)

And found another interesting Atlantis site:
www.atlan.org (http://www.atlan.org) (again, the reason for everything is Atlantis, but, who knows...)

The Jew-blaming might be a bit over-the-top, but we really can't know how crazy the Israeli fanatics are (or how crazy they will get, as they are quite a bit crazy at the moment), and how devious the Mossad. And whoever is leading the media/bank industry has to be evil, crook or not.

American patriotism sounds somewhat artificial to me.

[Laine]

1) fasCist
2) even if you'd get upset or something by the tone of the writer's voice or whatever, keep on reading after the first few pages of that atlan.org site...

[allissson]

I had a look at that Atlantis site.........I dunno Laine......it's got too much of a christian slant on it for me. Why do these mainstream people find it necessary to tie in a total bogus theory as christianity into every goddamned thing I wonder. the only "mystery" to christianity is that it is founded purely on misconception and distortion of ancient texts. totally man-made with a potentially destructive purpose and certainly not connected to something bigger.

Atlantis was, I think, more a way of life, a culture, a system, than an actual continent.

[Laine]

I almost disregarded the whole site too because of something seemingly pro-christian in the first few pages. If you think that considering christian rituals etc. equally "Atlantean" in origin with the Indian legends is somehow foolish, well I can't do anything about that. But I don't think he is, at least on the site, any more pro-christian than he is pro-hindoo or whatever. There are at least two times he mentions that christians are just apishly repeating the sacraments without having the slightest clue of "what they are all about". Maybe the majority of christian myths isn't that degenerated or false compared to the ethics...

[Laine]

But hey, we will probably never find out the "truth" about Atlantis:
www.jesus.com/sermons/mini/mini8.html (http://www.jesus.com/sermons/mini/mini8.html)

At least we have choices left, we can kill each other by nuclear/chemical weapons, or commit a slower kind of suicide by exploiting nature (and ourselves). Or both.

[allissson]

Laine, check this out. I came across this about Atlantis. This has made me re-think it. And not the first mention of christianity in this article.

sphinxtemple.virtualave.n...icles.html (http://sphinxtemple.virtualave.net/articles/articles.html)

[Laine]

You really won't get the most of that page without having read Lovecraft's Imprisoned with the Pharaohs!

"That question, so innocent and whimsical then, assumed in my dream a meaning of frenetic and hysterical madness . . . what huge and loathsome abnormality was the Sphinx originally carven to represent?"

(Oh. It was a lion.)

[Laine]

While being frustrated about the stupidity of the new-age Jesus-replacements (vara-Jeesus!), I found some fun conspiracy parodies:
members.tripod.com/~kenny...onspiracy/ (http://members.tripod.com/~kenny_a_j/conspiracy/)

The second JFK conspiracy (in the Classics section) is fuc.king lovely!

[vladtroll]

yeh learn some real nice mythology
www.northvegr.org/ (http://www.northvegr.org/)
That's better:) .

[allissson]

THAT is one bitching website Vlad! :) Thanks for the link. :)

[Laine]

Lovely comic: dir.salon.com/topics/tom_...index.html (http://dir.salon.com/topics/tom_tomorrow/index.html)

[vladtroll]

Yes I like Edda, Viking stuff..
I am reading my eyes off..
I am reading a Viking saga of 300 pages now..
And after that I am going to read the EDDA..and
then I will read 3 more viking books and 1 book about the kelts..

ThaT page I given are some nice translations of grim's stories and EDDA:)
So read it;) and
Cheerz!!(B)

laine are we talking about commics inhere:P?

[allissson]

you're gonna be a busy man, Vlad. The only problem with those books is that they are very hard to put down once you get into them. But I can guarantee you'll enjoy them! :)

[vladtroll]

yes that's true.
Only I am skipping the part about clothes, peasants..
MORE BATTLE STORY's:D .
So I am starting to read the part about viking ships 'Drakkars'now.

[Laine]

www.angelfire.com/nm/seid...inweb.html (http://www.angelfire.com/nm/seidhman/beinweb.html)

[vladtroll]

Interesting story Laine.
Thanks:) .
That guy seems to be a nice guy.
He also says he don't refer himself to heathens.
Because you have a lot of different heathens.
That's a good point.:)

[Laine]

Waaah, there used to be the Current 93/Sveinbjörn Beintesson CD "Edda" available from www.forcedexposure.com (http://www.forcedexposure.com) and there isn't any mention of it at www.worldserpent.com (http://www.worldserpent.com) which is the main distributor of Current 93/Durtro stuff I guess... it can't be sold out. :(

If anyone manages to find some mail order in this planet that has this, I'd love to know:

"Current 93 present: Sveinbjörn Beinteinsson - Edda (Durtro 005 CD)
An album of the chanting in traditional RIMUR style, by the late Icelandic head of the Odinic religion of the Norse Eddas. The tales of the Nordic gods and goddesses and the basis of the Odinic or Asatra. Hauntingly beautiful, and an authentic part of our heritage."

[allissson]

What an interesting man this Sveinbjörn was! I have to say that this is one of the rare occasions that I've come across someone like that who can stay focused on the true purpose of what he's being interviewed about and give concise and accurate information. I agree with absolutely everything I read there. It's just a shame that this man is no longer with us.

[vladtroll]

I've got an Edda in dutch..
Many people inhere doesn't know..what it is..
I am probably the only one or one of the few of this province who like this..
Too bad..

[Laine]

For vladtroll:

www1.tip.nl/~t968103/pfi_nederland/ (http://www1.tip.nl/~t968103/pfi_nederland/)

www.heathenfront.org/nlhf/ (http://www.heathenfront.org/nlhf/) (Dutch Heathen Front, seems to be down and it might be the same site as the first one)

[vladtroll]

I know those site, except the thing about paganism.
I like the Folkvig page more..
members.tripod.com/~odins_barn (http://members.tripod.com/~odins_barn)
Which is in different languages..
and the heathendom..or smth in dutch
www.heidendom.nl

[Laine]

I recently bought a book ("The impossible question") by Jiddu Krishnamurti, which was greatly mind-boggling (try and you maybe understand, it's the most annoying book I've read :p ), and is still awaiting to be finished. Don't get me wrong, it's not a complicated book, but rather so simple it becomes complicated. Not a bad book, I don't like to judge them.

When searching the net for stuff about him, I stumbled into another Krishnamurti, who is a bit more understandable to a relatively foolish teenager, and judging both by what little I've read by them, more interesting:
www.well.com/user/jct/ (http://www.well.com/user/jct/)

[vladtroll]

Hmm, I do not read christian stuff.. Sorry :p

[Laine]

Neither do I. But tell me, what does that have to do with this?

[vladimir]

just one of the best around.

www.northvegr.org \m/
Now you can also download e-books!
Kalavela included!

and www.sacred-texts.com
also good one:)

[Mr. Lapin Kulta]

All you need to read can be found in the holy bible. Come on guys. Join Jesus!









NOT!!!!

:barf: Christianity

Hmmm what a meaningless post :confused: I think I'm losing it here....

[vladimir]

uhm........

Scytheman
Listen more to moonsorow and then you will understand everything again!

someday..

I guess.. were the fuck is hittavaien?
hmm maybe he is working again hehe

[raincat]

Arbeit macht Hittavainen frei!

[Allison]

That Folkvig site - I had a read and after just a few minutes had read enough. These people remind me painfully of Wiccan fluff bunnies with a supremist twist. Same shit, different banner. They are about as much to do with Heathenism as Buddha is to to with Judaism. Not a good example at all, I am afraid, of what heathenism represents.

[vladimir]

Allison it's better then Racism ;).
But Northvegr is much better.
Only that is more dedicated to information.
the site is divided in two parts actually relegion and information. And that's a good thing!

[raincat]

http://www.heathenfront.org/khf/index.html

[Mr. Lapin Kulta]

Heathen Front = fokken morons

[Fleischwolf]

@raincat: thank you for posting a link in russian! i'm sure we're all familar with kyrilian letters!:)

@scytheman: the heathenfront has some good ideas, some bad! first of all you have to have to have a really open mind to think about what they say, cause some is fucking true some is bollocks!

i read their forum a few times, while some people there are real idiots, some are really inteligent and have not only a huge knowledge, but also some good thoughts on todays society!

[raincat]

Oh yeah, I forgot... they were morons. Shoulda not have posted that link.

Tired. (Both physically, and at the moment, of HF-bashers. Just what exactly is it that makes them so bad? I can't see it!)

And if you have really keen eyes, you can see that "English" link somewhere over that wolf-picture.

[Mr. Lapin Kulta]

At least here in Sweden many of them are morons. I know quite a few followers and well, they aren't the brightest people around so to speak. The people I know from Heathen Front are nazi purists and being totally against their views in general I can't really say anything else. I'm sure they have their points as well though...as all people...

Sorry if I offended anyone. I know one shouldn't generalize...Sorry...

[vladimir]

Fleishwolf I recommend Northvegr.
There aren't any nazi's there.
Those are pure heathens.

the Heathenfront is made by a nazi, so that's why I don't like it. They don't even know what heathen means.

[Allison]

Heathen Front is a Euro equivalent of KKK. Bunch of hypocrite assholes is all they are. I've no time for them.

[Rabenreich]

I think Fleischwolf is totally right with what he says about AHF...
Some of their ideas ARE good-but when I look at most of the ppl at their forum I could nearly spit...
It seems that it is really just another "gathering-point" (don't know how to say what I really mean-in German I would have said "Sammelbecken") for neo-nazis unter the cloak of a "religiouse group"...and therefore under the cloak of that gods and symbols of my ancestors witch are really abused and pulled to the dirt enough by such ppl.It wakes big anger in me to see how they abuse the Algiz rune by putting them on patches that look like the crooked cross banners and stuff like that.
An organisation like this one could have been very useful-maybe great...But not in this form...

And well...I hope that one day I can weare runes or hammers without beeing treadet as a neo-nazi.But as long as organisations like the AHF keep on using them there will be no change I think...

[Fleischwolf]

Originally posted by Allison
Heathen Front is a Euro equivalent of KKK. Bunch of hypocrite assholes is all they are. I've no time for them.

kkk? well, that's the least likely comparison in my opinion! i mean kkk, is totaly protestant-christian! heathen front wants to reinstall the indigeous european believesystem, even though they might have some views about that, which are totaly out of line!

as i said, on the forum there are some people very inteligent, with great points, but a lot of idiots with no brians! while some of them barley cannot hide their nazi fetish and white supremacist views, others stress that the are not nazis but rather trying to preserve and reinstall the true european way of life! the official stance of heathen front is that they are ho nazi organisation, but they damn their followers for being fond of nazis eighter!

[raincat]

Oh. Well, pretty useless to discuss about this since I'm not even sure about my own opinions. But the basic idea (http://www.heathenfront.org/whf.htm) of AHF is good. Views of different writers, such as Vikernes, may be disagreeable... and I guess it is a flaw in the whole organisation, because the members are the ones who make (the image of) the organisation...

[Allison]

same principles as KKK - they are a supremacist (nazi) organisation who look down on and exclude people who are not of a certain and particular heritage criteria which they deem to be the supreme one. Heathens are to be found in ALL cultures. HF thinks they own the copyright on what is Heathen and what is not. They are NOT, because they don't exhibit good heathen values. They exhibit NAZI values. I hate any sort of supremacist organisation, regardless of what they pretend to stand for.

[raincat]

same principles as KKK - they are a supremacist (nazi) organisation who look down on and exclude people who are not of a certain and particular heritage criteria which they deem to be the supreme one.

Well, nazi is a quick and easy word to use... no comment on that. But does there somewhere on the AHF page read, that the northern culture should be the only culture in the world? Or, perhaps, do they say that the northern culture indeed is better for the northern man than for example japanese culture?

Heathens are to be found in ALL cultures.

Duh. But the AHF is the Allgermanische Heidnische Front. They represent us white boys.

HF thinks they own the copyright on what is Heathen and what is not.

Perhaps through research and study you really can grasp a real definition of "heathen" instead of making one up? They are after all trying to promote the ancient world-view, which may or may not have been to your liking. And of course since I don't know much about those ancient ways, you can be as right/wrong as the AHF boys... I don't concern myself much with heathenism these days... although that is likely to change.

That critique of yours sounds more like you were talking about the stuff found at Burzum.com, not Heathenfront.org. :p You dislike fluffy hippie pagans, you dislike like steel warrior pagans. You shall be fed to the penguins!

[Mr. Lapin Kulta]

we are divine, we are the fortunate offspring of gods!

hehehehe

[Fleischwolf]

i remember that the ahf said, they would even promote a swahili heathen front in africa, but their movement is a european one, like the allgermanische heidnische front(that shows their german fetish again) is a germanic one!

[Allison]

whatever whatever - it surely is not worth launching a forum flame war over. I don't support activism because it always goes the same way no matter what organisation/cause it is for. If these people are truly after preserving ancient culture and nothing more then fine. Good luck to them.

[Fleischwolf]

yes, however the question is what messures are to be taken to preserve culture and where to draw the line!
but you're right, this is the wrong forum for such discussions!;):)

[vladimir]

let's keep our ancient moonsorrow forum alive!